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QuBe 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 19-Feb-2017 14:28:07
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@Thorham

That's true... i was just emotional and angry about it...

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Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 20-Feb-2017 12:40:09
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UPDATE:

Unsurprisingly, eBay have sided with the buyer. They have already refunded the full amount back to him. No consideration whatsoever for the fact he still has my A4000.

Today I have reported him to the Police.

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Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 20-Feb-2017 12:57:54
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@mattk

Already file a Police Report and present Paypal Controversy sustained and backed by report references.

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Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 20-Feb-2017 12:58:46
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@mattk

Get back to Ebay with the crime reference number.

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Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 20-Feb-2017 15:45:34
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@Rob

Yes, do this for sure!

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Kremlar 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 20-Feb-2017 20:01:37
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I've had this scam pulled on me with a much less expensive auction. Nonetheless, I fought with eBay and PayPal on the issue. I worked with a rep over the phone and it was very frustrating. The rep said I should have never accepted the return, but hindsight is 20/20 and like you I was just trying to be a "nice" seller.

In the end they credited me back the price of my item to keep me happy, but officially I believe they sided with the buyer. They assured me they would go after the buyer because they believed my story, but I somehow doubt they did anything after they hung up with me.

It's unfortunate that they always seem to side with the buyer, even when it's an obvious scam. It was interesting to read that link earlier in the thread where eBay sided with the seller, but I think that must be very rare.

I would push this as far as you can, file a report with the police, etc. This guy is obviously scum.

Best of luck.

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Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 20-Feb-2017 23:42:02
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I work in online retail. The police are useless when it comes to fraud. You phone up your local police station they say "where was the crime committed?" You explain the guy is in x and they say "you need to call x police". Call x police and they say "where are you calling from?" You explain and they say "you need to call your local police". Eventually someone will palm you off to Action Fraud, who take up to 2-3 months to decide if they are going to pass on the information for the police who will do nothing with it anyway.

There was a news report some years ago that the police do not have the resources to follow card fraud cases. Not only they are not fighting this crime, they are shouting from the rooftops "commit card fraud we won't prosecute, we won't even come and see you".

Example of how rubbish the police etc. are.

Where it all started going wrong - it hasn't improved believe me.

I almost delivered some products once to a fraudster. Once I had realised I stopped the goods leaving, called the local police, fraudster's local police, action fraud etc. I told them where the people were expecting the goods and on what day and was told it can take x weeks to speak to the police who may or may not investigate. BUT THE GUY IS AT x ADDRESS TOMORROW, GO AND ARREST HIM! One officer told me off for losing my rag. They are dumb as hell and are basically tax collectors for the HM Treasury now - hiding behind trees with speed guns, waiting for some sucker doing 35 in a 30 to be made to feel like he's actually killed someone.

Sorry you have been scammed but unless you can plead your case with Paypal, you are unlikely to see your money. Alternative is to go the the guy's house armed with a baseball bat and demand your computer back - which has probably been mutilated by now.

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Raffaele 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 21-Feb-2017 3:00:31
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@A1200

I am glad I live in Italy where Police has a Postal Crime Department that take care of internet frauds too, no matter in what place of competence scam originated...

They have no powers with frauds originating abroad, but sure I can file reports with fraudsters and scammers in my country.
Also they have many other powers for example to block vision of malicious porn sites from Italy territory or denouncing pedoes to interpol.

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Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 25-Feb-2017 23:45:55
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We have received an objection to the content of this thread, requesting for it to be removed and for sanctions to be made against some of the members posting here.

AmigaWorld.net is a community run forum and we do not take sides in any disputes. Provided the posts abide by the TOS for the site, the thread will not be removed.

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Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 26-Feb-2017 4:07:49
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@mattk

Sorry to hear about your luck. How people like this can have a clear conscience doing this kind of thievery is beyond me. I am using Amibay more and more to hopefully avoid issues such as yours.

Let's hope the Wheel of Karma runs him over (twice) :)

Drewlio77

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TargExplorer 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 8-Mar-2017 8:23:53
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@mattk

Any update with this?
I got a private message regarding an abuse report.

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Kay 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 8-Mar-2017 10:30:31
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What a beautiful machine, I'm sorry to hear it was (basically) stolen from you.

I feel really sorry for you. I would definitely file a police report and take any legal steps available to me if I were in this situation. Please let us know if there are any further developments.

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Rob 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 8-Mar-2017 10:32:32
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@TargExplorer

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I got a private message regarding an abuse report.


The buyer trying to abuse forum rules to suppress information on his criminal activities rather than make ammends? Thankfully the mods are having none of it.

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Hypex 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 8-Mar-2017 14:32:12
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@Rob

That's what I thought as well.

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wawa 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 8-Mar-2017 17:14:49
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@Rob

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The buyer trying to abuse forum rules to suppress information on his criminal activities rather than make ammends? Thankfully the mods are having none of it.


a member here? go figure..

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mattk 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 8-Mar-2017 18:17:16
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@Drewlio77 @Kay

Thank you for your words of support. If there is one thing that has made me feel a little bit better about this whole situation, it is seeing that others also share the outrage that such a thing could happen.

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mattk 
Re: Warning to Amiga buyers and sellers
Posted on 8-Mar-2017 18:41:20
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@TargExplorer

I was a bit puzzled there could be abuse reports being made. I started this thread to warn other potential victims of this type of fraud. And in particular warn those contemplating buying an A4000 from someone from the Isle of Man to double-check that they are not being sold stolen property. (Anyone in doubt please get in touch privately.)

I can think of only one person who'd wish to close down this discussion. With that in mind I shall be a bit more discrete about what I say from now on. Don't want to show my hand, as it were. But rest assured I'm not giving up on this. The buyer knows how to contact me if he has any complaints!!

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