@Beans

Of course the Core 2 wasn't magically efficient, it was also 3 years newer as the G5.

@WolfpackN64

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...it was also 3 years newer as the G5

Good point. The dual core G5 (970MP) actually was a little more efficient than the original cpu.
And people seem to assume that high end G5s needed water cooling, when that was really little more than a hyped feature (and one that decreases reliability).

I never really trusted Jobs, he wasn't an engineer. He knew how to hire people who could get that job done, and must have had some personal knowledge (or at least be able to absorb the input of his design staff).
But some of the weird design elements over the years, particularly when it comes to cases/housings, put me off a bit.
I like functionality. Artful form seems pointless.

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@Beans

That's what's been putting me off as a long time Mac user. Functionally has gone out of the window for their grand long term vision, which is something that Jobs actually pushed most of all (all of this "Tim Cook ruined Apple" stuff is nonsense).

That's why I don't believe at all the G5 made Apple pick Intel. I believe in earnest Jobs already planned the shift from the G3/G4 era.

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Sounds pretty spot on.

Yay. My memory isn't that bad!

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Frankly, considering the rather poor start, (in the 8088/8086 family), X86 has advanced farther than I ever would have thought possible.

My father, an electrical engineer, despises the early x86 architecture, something about a kludge to access memory whose details I can't quite recall (bank switching, maybe, because the 8086 was an 8-bit computer or something). He still likes to tell how his $500, 0.7MHz (or something) 6809-based Color Computer ran circles around a $5000, 2MHz (or something) 8086-based IBM PC.

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Then again, its RISC under the hood these days anyway.

So I've heard. Thanks for the informative posts!

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Mostly, but Intel completely blundered into the embedded market, even when paying companies to adopt their chips.

Thanks. I don't keep up with the embedded market; I ask my father about it from time to time, and that's about it. Personally I wonder how Freescale, who dominated the PDA market for a while with Coldfire, lost that to ARM.

In the HPC market, it looks as if IBM is losing ground to Intel, Nvidia, and even some custom Chinese job; at least judging by Top 500.

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And LibreOffice is better then MS Office anyway

Ha! That's certainly what I use (running Linux at home) but I don't think LibreOffice was around back in the mid-90s. Maybe as StarOffice, but back then you also had WordPerfect which I liked loads better than Word.

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@simplex

Absolute power of certain HPC's doesn't say much. Volume is everything, and therein, IBM is undisputed. Suzhou Powercore even makes it's own Power8 derivative chip with license from IBM for use in China. IBM frequently includes NVlink technology for use with NVIDIA GPU accelerators. Big Blue and Big Green are the best of friends in HPC.

@simplex

The biggest problem I have with Open Office is that the spreadsheet is only marginally compatible with Excel.
I actually prefer the word processor to the continually changing Word.

I pay the $10/month fee for Office364, and its not that high a price considering they let me install it on several computers.

Windows...at times that OS really pisses me off. Particularly the constant updating with no warning. If I have something to do, the last thing I feel like doing is waiting an extended period for an update to finish.

And Win10 obsoletes most of my sound cards for no reason I can figure out.
Drivers won't even load since the OS pretends the devices aren't installed.

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@Beans

you guys, whether you hold yourself for qualified or not, apparently cant distinguish between whats of public interest and whats your private preference. you should have attended some popular enterteinment courses, usually proposed by victims of such treatment to learn the difference.

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Big Blue and Big Green are the best of friends in HPC.

Interesting. Thank you!

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@Beans

I use LibreOffice when at all possible, but most people don't, which is why I'm glad my employer provides it for free.

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Windows...at times that OS really pisses me off. Particularly the constant updating with no warning. If I have something to do, the last thing I feel like doing is waiting an extended period for an update to finish.

I once performed an update to Windows XP (I think) where the monitor went blank for several minutes. Naturally, I assumed something had gone wrong, so I reset it and tried the update again (after recovering from the rescue partition).

Same blank screen for several minutes. I let it go at least a half hour. Finally something came back up.

Apparently someone at Microsoft considered this sort of thing "normal." Don't get me wrong; I've seen Linux offer up a blank screen, too, but (a) it wasn't nearly as long, and (b) Linux is free.

It's sort of like how I view beer: I can't imagine how people could pay for that. And yet they do.

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@wawa

I think I have an idea what your intent is, but I'm a bit baffled by the 'popular enterteinment courses' part of that, Wawa.

And, 'victims of such treatment'?

Look, you have your own preferences and prejudices as well, whether you acknowledge them or not.

And 'public interest'? Are we to limit ourselves to some form of 'majority rules' discourse?

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@Beans

Windows 10 is the worst for moments of blank screens. Plus that stupid spinning circle is about as useful as a chocolate fire guard what was wrong with a progress bar...

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WolfpackN64 wrote: @Beans Of course the Core 2 wasn't magically efficient, it was also 3 years newer as the G5.

The first Intel processor used by Apple wasn't from the Core2 line!

From Intel Core Wiki:

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Core Duo was the CPU for the first generation MacBook Pro, while the Core Solo appeared in Apple's Mac Mini line. Core Duo signified the beginning of Apple's shift to Intel processors across their entire line.

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@BigD

Woops, my bad. Doesn't change much to my original point though.

Intel f*ing Pentium M ? Anyway, since when are we assuming that companies/benchmarks/sites are transparent ?

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@toRus

Pentium M is a mobile processor released when the Pentium 4 was current.
Its quite efficient and helped to provide the basis for 'Merom' (the Colo Solo and Duo processor) that replaced the P4 architecture.

Intel Israel if I'm not mistaken helped design these.

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@Beans

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Intel Israel if I'm not mistaken helped design these.

Wait a minute, isn't Intel=Israel ?

@toRus

Well, Intel's website does mention "Employment more than 10,000" in relation to their operations there, but no, I don't think the entire company has a lot to do with that country.

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Easy choice, for me: V4 standalone. Nothing against PPC Amigas, but I don't feel like having one of them would satisfly me.
I tend to do most things with Windows + Ubuntu these days and I look at Amiga as a 68k retro machine.
Why V4, then? Because it is a dream finally came true, and because it is a beautiful toy (as someone said in the first posts).
Maybe new games will be produced/ported to it and it will be wonderful... or maybe not, but even then I could appreciate old games with a proper HDM Output and, when needed, enough horsepower to run fluently no matter what.
Besides, my A1200/030/50 is almost dead and getting a new one with equal computing power will cost me not that much less than a standalone V4.

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I already have a Replay board that I barely use.

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