@AdvancedFollower

Could you consider becoming a beta tester ? That way you could get your Tabor faster. Of course, it requires being active and reporting bugs.

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@Tomppeli

Are you sure, that beta tester can make finish Tabor faster?

I honestly think that it's crystal clear, what components are missing (drivers, FPU problem, etc.) - but the problem are not beta testers, but the developers who do not know how to solve the problems.

It all started by choosing the wrong CPU. I think it is pretty obvious that the decision of choosing the P1022 has led into many troubles. The Tabor was announced the 19th Ocober 2015 (http://a-eon.biz/news/News_Release_A1222.pdf). That's 2 years ago... c'mon guys... change some people in the development team of OS4! They never get things done!

I honestly admire the patience of Trevor Dickinson. I think he is real example on what "thinking positive" means. It's great to have you in Amiga World Trevor!

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@Birbo

Don't know if you saw this :

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=832098&postcount=34

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@Spectre660

Yes I saw that thanks. A lot of problems wit the SPE unfortunately.

It means, it's unlikely we can play Wings on Tabor... they just had to choose a normal FPU like the e500mc has...

I don't think the turbo-emu comes for real. Thomas Frieden is working on that....

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@Birbo

Did you read the link from Spectre? Daytona says 1.5x cpu performance in comparison to the Sam460 in the end. And he allready posted some Youtube stuff showing the Tabor in action.

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@Tomppeli

Never thought of the possibility to be honest. I could definitely put in a few hours if that helps, but hopefully the board comes out commercially in the next few months anyway.

@bennymee

The FPU issue is definitely a major problem, but not a showstopper. With a few exceptions, most code is integer, and if there are just a few FPU instructions mixed in, emulation won't hurt overall performance of the application, unless you're using the system for ray-tracing or similar.

The emulation, no matter how fast, adds another layer of complexity though (both during development and at runtime) which isn't ideal. Looking at the Wiki page, the e500mc came out in 2008 and reinstated the standard FPU, so I'm not sure why A-Eon went with the regular e500 CPU anyway. Maybe related to pricing/supply, though I can't imagine the e500mc costing much more (and it costs money to develop the FPU emulation too).

From the progress updates I've seen, it looks like networking and sound drivers are taking just as long as the FPU code, so can't really blame the delays on the SPE. I don't think the devs are incompetent, there are just too few of them and they don't work full-time.

@AdvancedFollower

Having played with the A1222 today at Amiga 32 in Nuess I think people will be nicely surprised at its performance.

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@bennymee

Tabor performances will be 1/2 of a rasperrypi 3 in cpu power

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@tlosm

How fast is AmigaOS 4.1 under Raspberry PI vs A1222?

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@tlosm

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Tabor performances will be 1/2 of a rasperrypi 3 in cpu power

Well, my cheap notebook has 6x faster single core integer performance than Tabor and - unlike R Pi - runs OS4.

@pavlor

3D accelerated and with plenty of RAM? ;)

Kamelito

Sam460ex single core integer performance is higher than Raspebrry Pi 3 single core .
Tabor single core integer performance is faster than Sam460ex

sysbench
Sam460ex 1155 Mhz 1 thread =350.9746s
Raspberry Pi 3 1 thread=478.1029s  

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@thread

The Tabor does indeed run quicker than the Sam 460 did so in fact this should answer most people's main questions about the machine.

Exciting things are happening too in regards to the Radeon HD driver which mean the A1222 will run faster thanks to the 256MB graphics card limitation being removed....
Handy for games and video playback I'd say... And welcome news for perhaps owners of less powerful machines...

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@kamelit0

My point was: it is not wise to compare apples and oranges.

@Spectre660

for your happyness

did all on mate 16.04
Blender bench on pi3 blender 2.76

1T 3.44.96
4T 1.11.86

hardinfo sam460 vs Pi3
CPU Blowfish (Lower is better) 57,22 | 42,03
CPU CryptoHash (Higher is better) 19,42 | 24,9
CPU Fibinacci (Lower is better) 16,19 | 13,42
CPU N-Queens (Lower is better) 41,48 | 37,13
FPU FFT (Lower is better) 56,79 | 46,58
FPU Raytracing (Lower is better) 48,58 | 42,58

...waiting your Sam blender and expecially tabor one for comparison

@pavlor
yes pi3 dont run os4.
but it mean a crappy thing because run os4 have to prize 20 times more than standards one

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@outrun1978

We will see how well Tabor runs when one installs Linux and plays some steam/unity powered games like Serious Sam/Dota 2 etc.

Hopefully it will be alot more than an animation player. Fingers crossed.

90% games made to run through Unity games engine, thousands of developers making awsome games quickly.

But when we start crossing high wattage >100 w, now energy costs build.

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@tlosm

Well, looking at hardinfo benchmarks, single core performance is only a little bit better than SAM460EX.

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...waiting your Sam blender and expecially tabor one for comparison

SPE "FPU" in Tabor is as fast as 600 MHz G3 in lame benchmark, should be similar for blender too.

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but it mean a crappy thing because run os4 have to prize 20 times more than standards one

Your choice...

@pavlor

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performance is only a little bit better than SAM460EX.

little bit? it is about 20% more faster in integer will be like a sam460 1400mhz

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@asymetrix

If you are looking at the A1222 to run only Linux then you may be disappointed and will want to look elsewhere. If you want to run OS4 on it however I'd consider it a good low cost option. Like on the X5000 Linux should always be considered a bonus feature to be run to be run on the hardware and in order to rein in some expectations, a work in progress.

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@tlosm

Yes, that is exactly what I call a little bit. 1.1 to 1.4x in integer benchmarks.