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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 12-Jan-2024 18:22:05
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For any sane person, the implications there are clear. However, we're going to need to simplify that for @ppcamiga1 as logic isn't his first language:
All tests software renderer at 640x480, 8-bit.
Stinky PC Dos Quake on Athlon @ 1.8GHz => ~100fps
68K quake on Heap of garbage nobody should use PiStorm/Pi4B @1.8GHz => ~53fps
PPC Natives Quake on ZOMG Bestest Evar purpose built G4 NG machine (Peg2/1GHz) => ~55fps
I'll just reiterate that last bit for our hard-of-thinking friend:
68K quake, software renderer running on Emu68 on a Pi4B is *as fast* as PPC native Quake, software renderer, running on a 1GHz G4, for the same resolution and depth.
Only the Sam460 turns in better performance at 1GHz primarily because it's not crippled the sorts of memory access issues the A1XE (but also the Peg2 to a lesser extent) had.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 13-Jan-2024 9:05:04
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 13-Jan-2024 10:00:27
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I get about 58 FPS without recording 60.01 FPS.
Just because the topic is interesting for me to compare.
https://vimeo.com/902497910?share=copy
Same conditions Quake Timedemo1 640x480 8bit software. Last edited by Maijestro on 13-Jan-2024 at 10:08 AM.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 13-Jan-2024 10:48:55
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Is that the 68K binary or the PPC native binary?
I've got to be honest, I expect better from the latter on a 1GHz configuration. Are you sure it's not synchronised to the display refresh? _________________ Doing stupid things for fun... |
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 13-Jan-2024 22:41:40
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On stock potato Ryzen 5 7600X on MSI Pro B650m-P motherboard and 32 GB DDR5-5600.
Demo1 at 640x480 8-bit color.
WinUAE 5 64-bit, AmiQuake 68K, RTG on = 210.7 fps,
Clickboom's Quake port didn't recognize WinUAE's RTG.
Windows 11, WinQuake Mark V DirectX9 native port, 4699 fps. Last edited by Hammer on 14-Jan-2024 at 12:37 AM. Last edited by Hammer on 13-Jan-2024 at 10:50 PM. Last edited by Hammer on 13-Jan-2024 at 10:46 PM.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 14-Jan-2024 4:48:20
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 14-Jan-2024 14:56:36
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Damn, twice the speed!!!
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My Ryzen 7 5800X3D+RTX 3080 Ti is busy with mass audio (lectures) transcription CUDA AI work for a non-profit org.
I'll plan to run the same AmiQuake 68K on it._________________ Ryzen 9 7900X, DDR5-6000 64 GB RAM, GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Amiga 1200 (Rev 1D1, KS 3.2, PiStorm32lite/RPi 4B 4GB/Emu68) Amiga 500 (Rev 6A, KS 3.2, PiStorm/RPi 3a/Emu68) |
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 15-Jan-2024 8:28:47
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320x240 AwinQuake: 321 fps AmiQuake: 285 fps
640x480 AwinQuake: 126 fps AmiQuake: 117 fps
1280x720 AwinQuake: 53 fps AmiQuake: 47 fps
That goes on showing that the higher the resolution the better it performs relatively. Last edited by pixie on 16-Jan-2024 at 06:07 AM.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 16-Jan-2024 5:11:22
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AmiQuake 68K on WinUAE 5.1 64 bit, JIT 68040, Host FPU, RTG with stock Ryzen 7 5800X3D and 32 GB DDR4-3600.
I re-used my A1200-PiStorm-Em68's microSD card for my benchmark runs.
Demo1,
320x240 = 414.1 fps
680x480 = 158.9 fps
1280x720 = 65.7 fps
Last edited by Hammer on 18-Jan-2024 at 02:07 PM. Last edited by Hammer on 16-Jan-2024 at 05:23 AM. Last edited by Hammer on 16-Jan-2024 at 05:16 AM. Last edited by Hammer on 16-Jan-2024 at 05:14 AM.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 16-Jan-2024 7:27:26
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 16-Jan-2024 13:35:37
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Never got my 5800X past 4Ghz, that shouldn't help things up either
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That's odd... What's your motherboard model?
I have a spare Ryzen 7 5800X that I plan to use in my HTPC mini-ITX box (replacing the Ryzen 3 4100 with AsRock B550M-ITX/AC motherboard). AsRock B550M-ITX/AC is my 1st B550 chipset.
Single thread usage should be able to boost near its advertised clock speed.
Ryzen 7 5800X3D is paired with ASUS ROG Strix X570-E ATX motherboard.Last edited by Hammer on 16-Jan-2024 at 01:53 PM.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 16-Jan-2024 13:39:02
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 17-Jan-2024 5:56:17
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pistorm changes amiga into expensive mouse and keyboard interface for rpi. it is stupid because amiga mouse and keyboard where copied from pc 40 years ago. want to use rpi? just use rpi and linux on it. doom will run many times faster on it than on emulator.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 17-Jan-2024 8:09:26
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Got Raspberries here. With Linux. Little fun. Actually none.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 17-Jan-2024 8:18:51
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But I already have those expensive keyboards and mouse interfaces, and the chipset, and I have the OSes and the software … having a darn fast and compatible - not to mention affordable and available - CPU+FPU option that works with legacy chipset - AND NO CRAPPY SOFTWARE CHIPSET EMULATION (!!!!) - is awesome!
(and no, keyboard and mouse were not copied from PCs, but rather Xerox PARC’s Alto and various terminals… at the time, PCs typically didn’t have mouse and when they did, it was connected to serial port and required obscure drivers.) _________________ B5D6A1D019D5D45BCC56F4782AC220D8B3E2A6CC |
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 17-Jan-2024 12:44:58
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You really are trying to exhaust all the ways to be wrong here.
PiStorm turns the Amiga into a massively accelerated Amiga with RTG and other benefits while retaining all of the original hardware and everything else you might have jammed into that hardware.
I have many other things better equipped do run Linux on. I don't want to spend a fortune upgrading an Amiga 1200 with a difficult to obtain 100MHz 68060, PCI bus just to add an RTG card and a NIC. The PiStorm neatly does all that and I can even keep it in the same case (thermals permitting). _________________ Doing stupid things for fun... |
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 18-Jan-2024 1:02:49
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want to use rpi? just use rpi and linux on it. |
To use your own words: ARM is just like PC, which is work and not fun. 68k 32-bit big-endian is fun PiStorm makes 68k fun more performance, like PPC but better, because much cheaper PPC expensive like a workstation, which is work and is not fun You want expensive RISC workstation PPC, start working on something at least as good as MacOS X from 2007 Very fast 68k running fun AmigaOS 3.x and apps and games for 68k is best fun_________________ All the way, with 68k |
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 18-Jan-2024 1:20:58
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ppcamiga1 wrote: @Karlos
pistorm changes amiga into expensive mouse and keyboard interface for rpi. it is stupid because amiga mouse and keyboard where copied from pc 40 years ago. want to use rpi? just use rpi and linux on it. doom will run many times faster on it than on emulator.
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False. Amiga's Paula standard avoids retro PC's sound blaster clones Southbridge combination and configuration problems.
Read https://dosdays.co.uk/topics/pci_sound_cards_in_dos.php
For DOS gaming, I have SBLive and Yamaha YMF724 PCI sound cards.
The latest PCs can retro boot into MS-DOS/FreeDOS via USB, but sound cards with DOS are problematic.
Emu68 helps Quake to run in retro Amiga 500's HAM mode e.g. https://youtu.be/btoU_CQSg7A?list=PLKpoMXmLVytCV0kVF2ZayadxhUcvCbCxf
Retro Amiga GUI is superior to retro PC's DOS CLI.
My Windows 11 gaming PC has Linux via WSL 2.Last edited by Hammer on 18-Jan-2024 at 01:36 AM. Last edited by Hammer on 18-Jan-2024 at 01:30 AM.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 18-Jan-2024 6:47:16
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| pistorm changes amiga into expensive keyboard and mouse interface for rpi. it is stupid because amiga keyboard and mouse were copied from pc 40 years ago. expensive waste money for nothing. want to use rpi just use rpi with linux.
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Re: RISC-V with AmigaOS/MOS thoughts? Posted on 18-Jan-2024 7:51:21
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Nobody cares what you think about anything Amiga related. In fact, it's probably fair to say that nobody cares about your opinion on anything at all. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this.
Maybe there's some other subject you'll find some common ground with other people on and you can have a decent conversation about. This just isn't the one.
Keep searching and good luck. _________________ Doing stupid things for fun... |
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