Like some others I first bought the amigaone, but got tired of waiting for os4 so I also bought a cheap peagsos1 to play with.

I think amigaone is better than the pegasos1, I also like the feel of Os4 more than morphos. But there is of course a lot more nice software for morphos, since I'm a scenerIi like demos and there are quite many of them for morphos. For amigaone there is 1.

Even if the pegasos1 is unstable and crashes a lot, I haven't bothered to buy a peg2, since I only use it for short periods of time to test the available software.

I hope both systems will survive, but I don't think I ever will be able to exhange my pc at work for an amiga. If so amiga needs to get borland delphi.

@amigamagia

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I hope both systems will survive, but I don't think I ever will be able to exhange my pc at work for an amiga. If so amiga needs to get borland delphi.

Is there a Pascal compiler for the Amiga? Must be. I never really enjoyed it. But it is my understanding it was used a lot on the Apple in the beginning. Rigth?

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@Leo

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Quote: Does MorphOS work on AGA? I don't think it does (correct me if I'm wrong). You're wrong. Latest versions may have dropped AGA support though.

So what you actually mean is, you don't know.

It may run, it might not, it might be there, it might be dropped. But you couldn't say for certain.

So you don't actually know either.

Basically, let me get this straight, Rogue is wrong, but might now be right.

So you don't know then?

@amigamagia

If you have an unstable system, I think you should describe your
problems on MorphZone and I'm sure someone can help you.

I have a Peg 1 as well, and it is quite stable. I don't know of any
Peg (1 or 2) users with stability problems, so it's hard to say what
it could be. Both the Peg 1 and the A1s are picky about memory though,
so running the program "memtest" is a good idea. I was going to buy
some memory from a neighbour, it appeared to work fine, but it turned
out it had about 8 errors in the 256 MB. It would have sucked if I had
not discovered that..

@Merko

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If you really think the Warp3d compatibility of MorphOS is a rip off, does this mean that in the next release of OS4-pre, it will no longer have CyberGfx compatibility (as you seem to consider this a "rip off").

Sure. You go first.

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About memory protection - well MorphOS already has full memory protection, if you want to play that game.

So has Amithlon, then, in the underlying Linux kernel. The AmigaOS part however does not in any way profit from this.

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Currently, neither system offers more than the other.

Never said otherwise. However, the statement "MorphOS offers full MP" is pretty useless, since there is no QBox (as much as there is an OS 5).

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Maybe people could suggest more areas and we could make a test suite.

Don't wish for that, you might get it

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@all: Regarding the confidential message: I think at least that everyone thinking of buying an AmigaOne should know that it is currently recommended that they get an external card

Pretty useless staement. The original posting asked to keep it confidential, and whether or not it "should" be out in the open is irrelevant. If I tell something to someone else under the obligation to keep it a secret, if this someone else goes out and tells it then he has broken and misused my trust.

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Regarding the UDMA on A1, this is extremely debatable,

No, it isn't. Unless you want to say that I am lying, I do have UDMA running on my machine with an Si0680 controller card without data corruption. Are you sying I am lying?

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@Leo

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The facts are that:

Before starting to speak about facts, check yours again. You quote me, but I never wrote this.

To say the least I find it extremely bad style to put words in my mouth, and it also shows a lack of care in discussion. Not exactly beneficial to your credibility, is it?

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Have you opened up the changes you made to the SFS sources you were given ?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

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You're wrong. Latest versions may have dropped AGA support though.

"may have dropped"? Are you saying you don't know?

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That's easy to only mention the bad sides & come with a "you don't know the facts" when people try to show you you actually did the same thing on your own...

Rubbish. I said, in case you did also read the wrong statement here, that MorphOS does not need to open their MUI changes. Kronos said something like "you get what you pay for", which indicates that this option was open to everyone. It wasn't, therefore I stated that he didn't know the facts.

But seeing how you put words in my mouth, I am not surprised this detail escaped you.

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@Rogue

Well, I'm sure the MOS team would be willing to remove their Warp3d
compatibility if you removed the CGX compatibility. However, I'm not
the MOS team, and I will not work to make this happen as I think it
would be a loss for both systems (but of course a bigger loss to OS4
as it would break nearly all useful software).

About the memory protection, yes, it's more or less useless today. The
only thing it's good for is to help debugging applications, as you
can't kill Quark which means you always get some debug info (and you
can't overwrite the debug buffer.. ). But again.. MP
effectively lies in the future, for both systems.

About a test suite: Well, I think it would be a good idea. Maybe I'll
start a project to make an open source "OS4/MOS" benchmark program
where anyone can suggest or add an (open source) test. Not just to
answer the stupid question "which OS is the best", but to show where
each system has room for improvement.


Regarding the A1, it's hardly a useless statement. If someone is
thinking of buying an A1, they should know that they need a separate
UDMA card. What if they wanted to use that PCI slot for something
else? Come on, this is the kind of things you should know *before* you
buy something.


Regarding whether UDMA works or not, I'm not saying that you're lying,
but believe that you are very much mistaken. However, there's no point
in arguing this. It is my understanding that you will not release that
driver with the upcoming update. Why is that, if it works perfectly?

If you do release it, and no one else can find a serious problem
either within say a month, I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong.
Until then, sorry but I'm not convinced at all.

@CheatX

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The fanatics. There is always one too many.

You rang?

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MikeB wrote: Better yet, I would wish Apple would have negotiated an AmigaOS4 license.

Seems to me that Macs ares also based on open firmware.

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@Merko

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f someone is thinking of buying an A1, they should know that they need a separate UDMA card.

Fear not. You can't buy a new A1 now. They're out of stock.

ie: Sold out !!


So.

The ONLY people that this concerns are the current A1 owners, who have been told how to cure the said issue within the closed A1 forum (As it only concerns US)

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@Merko

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Regarding the A1, it's hardly a useless statement. If someone is thinking of buying an A1, they should know that they need a separate UDMA card.

Not only useless, but untrue...

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Regarding whether UDMA works or not, I'm not saying that you're lying, but believe that you are very much mistaken. However, there's no point in arguing this. It is my understanding that you will not release that driver with the upcoming update. Why is that, if it works perfectly?

Now then, tricky one. Who has more credibility, poor deluded Rogue running UDMA/OS4 on his A1 or Merko(who?)?
As for your understanding regarding the (non) release of the driver, based on what, exactly?

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If you do release it, and no one else can find a serious problem either within say a month, I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong. Until then, sorry but I'm not convinced at all.

Fair enough, I look forward to having a real good play once the update is done.

@One_Too_Many

So the update will have UDMA drivers?

I've been asking this so many times, and never gotten any straight
answer. So I guess the answer is "no".

@Merko

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Merko wrote: @Rogue Well, I'm sure the MOS team would be willing to remove their Warp3d compatibility if you removed the CGX compatibility. However, I'm not the MOS team, and I will not work to make this happen as I think it would be a loss for both systems (but of course a bigger loss to OS4 as it would break nearly all useful software).

Perhaps the MOS team could also remove the intuition compatitibility, gfx.library compatibility, gadtool compatibility...etc. etc. etc. yadda yadda.

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Regarding the A1, it's hardly a useless statement. If someone is thinking of buying an A1, they should know that they need a separate UDMA card. What if they wanted to use that PCI slot for something else? Come on, this is the kind of things you should know *before* you buy something.

That's very noble of you, however it's been said multiple times that all new A1s will be different to current models and will not suffer from this issue. Although it's not particularly surprising that you don't know this.

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Regarding whether UDMA works or not, I'm not saying that you're lying, but believe that you are very much mistaken. However, there's no point in arguing this. It is my understanding that you will not release that driver with the upcoming update. Why is that, if it works perfectly? If you do release it, and no one else can find a serious problem either within say a month, I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong. Until then, sorry but I'm not convinced at all.

Have a banana son

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@Rogue, EntilZha: About memory protection - well MorphOS already has full memory protection, if you want to play that game.

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@Merko

[quote]Regarding memory protection, to repeat myself: There is currently no
difference, both systems have future plans,/quote]

Oh, now it doesn't have it anymore... ?

Where you talking bull back then, or now ?

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@Merko

If they are trying to fix the problem whit Ethernet vs VIA686B DMA, then I don't think they will say any thing until the update is ready for download, on the other hand you can always use an Si0680 controller whit DMA.

personally I hope they say some thing about how to rewire the AmigaOne layout.

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@Merko

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Merko wrote: @One_Too_Many So the update will have UDMA drivers?

It will be the first thing I look for when I download the update. I'll try to remember to let you know.

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I've been asking this so many times, and never gotten any straight answer. So I guess the answer is "no".

'No' is a valid answer. But consider this; if a tree falls in a forest and no-one is there to hear it fall, does it make a sound? I guess the answer is 'no' errr, 'yes', erm, maybe. Oh sodit! Wait and see...

@EntilZha

So.. UDMA drivers will be released.. or not?

It's funny, you have all these Hyperion people answering all kinds of
questions, just not this one.

@EntilZha

Sigh. MorphOS has full memory protection. But, for practical purposes,
this does *not* mean it's much more advanced, in this respect, than
OS4 is.

However, someone made the opposite claim, that OS4 would be more
advanced in this respect. I corrected that, but as I don't want to
cause confusion, I didn't bother mentioning the low-level memory
protection that is present in MOS.

@NutsAboutAmiga

So drivers for the Si0680 will be released with the update?

If not, you can't use it, obviously.