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Amigaworld.net News   Amigaworld.net News : Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 28
   posted by MikeB on 29-Feb-2004 15:00:28 (3852 reads)
Ahead of shedule, session 28 of the Questions and Answers sessions with Amiga's Chief Technology Officer Fleecy Moss are now online.

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Re: Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 28
Posted on 29-Feb-2004 15:14:40
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Ok... I think it would be hard to make something better than iTunes when it comes to the music store backing, but sheeesh, my current installation takes roughly 5 minutes to load. And i still can´t buy music since i live in Sweden and not the US. But it looks good

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Re: Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 28
Posted on 29-Feb-2004 16:08:40
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hmm that was fast fleecy...

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Re: Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 28
Posted on 29-Feb-2004 16:12:19
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CAM is late but Fleecy's answers are early.

Thank you Fleecy!

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Re: Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 28
Posted on 29-Feb-2004 16:28:21
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Hows this for an Amiga iTunes... AmiTunes!

http://www.geocities.com/amipal/images/AmiTunes400.jpg

Edit: Hmm, that piccy didn't work... Any idea how to insert an image using iBrowse?
Edit 2: ah well, have the link instead!!

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Re: Q&A with Fleecy Moss - Session 28
Posted on 29-Feb-2004 16:44:39
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" ... we are going to take our time and look at the very foundation of interaction - the nature of the virtual environment and how a human represents, observes and manipulates within it."

I really don't think AmigaOS has the time for this sort of navel-gazing. We have fallen far behind in the last few years, and need to catch up QUICKLY to 2003 OS technology. We need the services and tools which other computer users have NOW - web browsers, office suites, media players etc, not an 'activity based architecture' some time in the distant future when we will all have been assimilated by the internet anyway.

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AmiTune

Yahoo doesn't let you directly img link a piccie .. you have to url link it.


And it looks like you haven't given public access to this piccie on your Geocities site either.

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@amipal

The site you are linking the image from probably prevents hot linking of images

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"Can AmigaOS 4.0 support in the near future, combination key like ctr+c for copy and ctr +v for past selection?"

One thing I have REALLY grown to like about Linux is the way I can just drag-select something with the left mouse button, and then paste it by just pressing the middle button. Now, when using MS_Windows or AmigaOS, I often find myself staring at the screen wondering why it hasn't pasted that text I just highlighted (Although I do like PowerSnap in AmigaOS).

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@RedMelons

Quote:
I really don't think AmigaOS has the time for this sort of navel-gazing


I agree up to a point, but when the time comes to integrate AG2 stuff, I'd hope that it's thought through well enough that the APIs aren't constantly being changed. Of course, that time hasn't come yet

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One thing I have REALLY grown to like about Linux is the way I can just drag-select something with the left mouse button, and then paste it by just pressing the middle button. Now, when using MS_Windows or AmigaOS, I often find myself staring at the screen wondering why it hasn't pasted that text I just highlighted


I haven't used Linux as much as other OSes, but that really annoyed me. For instance I don't always want to loose what's on the clipboard if I select something. And IMHO a clipboard should be able to handle any type of media the same way - and AFAIK you cannot select a picture and paste it into a supporting application that way,

Without wanting to sound like Fleecy does sometimes (only joking ) I wonder if it would somehow be possible to abstract OS services such as the clipboard so much that completely different behaviours like this could be chosen, and there was little impact on performance?

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"I don't always want to loose what's on the clipboard if I select something"

Ah, well that's another nice feature of KDE - the 'Klipper' clipboard tool which sits at the bottom of the screen and lets you choose from all your clipboard selections in the session.

"Without wanting to sound like Fleecy ... abstract OS services ... "

Nope, you lost me there - you're not talking about orthogonal persistence again are you?

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Talking of screens as in one of the questions.
AmigaOS could use a feature in Linux called Virtual Desktops which allows you to have different desktops at the same time. Whether they have different resultions is another matter but it may be worth looking at.

I also agree with Fleecy about Workbench. It does need an overhaul, a lot of companies are making it more activity related.
The ability to have shortcuts on the Desktop is missing and to lauch common apps from the menus or orther means is missing . Docks is one way but can use up valuable space.

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The ability to have shortcuts on the Desktop is missing


What's wrong with "RMB menu -> Icon -> Leave Out <Amiga>-L"?

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Poster: syrtran Date: 29-Feb-2004 19:09:34

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@pjhutch
The ability to have shortcuts on the Desktop is missing


What's wrong with "RMB menu -> Icon -> Leave Out <Amiga>-L"?


Strictly speaking that is not a shortcut to the file. It is actually the file left on the Workbench screen. If you delete it, you will delete the actual program, not just a shortcut icon to it.

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Posted on 29-Feb-2004 19:32:53
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Hmmm... sadly my questions didn't qualify this time. How can I improve my chances to get them answered?

Ok, maybe I'm having more luck the next time. :)

Edited: I felt like I had to add a banana today

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@_Steve_

???

What I do is just copy the .info file and select "leave out" on the copy. Sure, you need to do it with the CLI, but it's far from impossible.

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"Strictly speaking that is not a shortcut to the file. It is actually the file left on the Workbench screen. If you delete it, you will delete the actual program, not just a shortcut icon to it."

I prefer this - I always liked the fact that in AmigaOS you know where all of your files actually are, and don't have to hunt them down through shortcuts, links and obscure directories.

I don't use this feature though I prefer to use ToolsDaemon for launching programs and leaving the Workbench for disk icons only.

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Strictly speaking that is not a shortcut to the file. It is actually the file left on the Workbench screen. If you delete it, you will delete the actual program, not just a shortcut icon to it.


Except Workbench won't let you, of course.

I love the way the Workbench backdrop works, you can scatter icons over it to your heart's content, without the actual files moving. Moving files between two drawers can be done by dragging the icon to the backdrop first, finding the destination and dragging it in from the backdrop - without wondering whether it is going to create a shortcut, or copy, or move the original. It is dead handy as a temporary store for files which are deep in the directory structure and you might need to find again. Forbidding me to write actual files keeps it neat as well, as on Windows I tend to just save everything to the desktop.

AppIcons and device icons can't really work effectively either if the backdrop is part of the filesystem. There is no need for the backdrop to be part of the filesystem, it is far better for it not to be. Also the Amiga doesn't have that much need for "Start Menu" and derivatives, if you logically arrange where you install software to then navigating the filesystem is just as easy if not easier than a "Start Menu", and anything you can't launch from Workbench is hidden anyway so there is no difference (if you really want "Start Menu" functionality then simply making the filesystem into a hierarchal menu of .info files would suffice)

I much prefer the working of the Amiga's backdrop, unfortunately everybody else seems to have gone for the "desktop must be a directory" route, even though it doesn't make much sense. Acorn RISC OS did it the Amiga way too (and they called it the Pinboard, which is possibly a more logical name for the function it performs)

Chris

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Question 3: I recall that Tao were approached by a processor manufacturer, interested in making a real CPU with the VP instruction set. Tao refused, as it took away the whole point of having a virtual processor (pretty much the reasons Fleecy stated).

Chris

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I hate icons spattered all over my desktop.

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Posted on 29-Feb-2004 21:40:46
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Soft Link support will be added to AOS 4. (It was partially present since AOS 2 but not completed.) I don't know how hard it will be to "leave out" a soft link onto the desktop, however...

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