Thanks DaveyD

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Many thanks to everyone involved in the interviews, recording and cleanup. I really appreciate the effort you all put in to make these recordings available.


redfox

Certainly seems like the coming months will bring many interesting developments .

I ditto Redfox's comments... For those of us unable to attend the show the downloads are very much appreciated. :o)
Interesting times ahead indeed. Now I hope KMOS can live up to their goals and lure developers back to this platform. Time will tell... If they've really got the funds for contracting developers we may see our office suite yet.
Regards,
Kay

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Certainly seems like the coming months will bring many interesting developments

Where ? For what platform ?

Garry said he wants to focus on wireless, he bought AmigaDE. How the hell would he put some efforts in AmigaOS ?
Damn. Once again, this Amiwest show was too far from what I expected and what I think is possible.

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@ Elwood

But he also did say that such things cannot be done on PDAs per se, the OS is needed to develop this, and he explicitly states that AmigaOS (can't remember which part though) is the ideal OS for this end... he also said something along the lines of (IIRC) a small, compact OS that does not crash often etc. AmigaOS for Garry forms the large part of what he wants to achieve.... It's like the industrial and consumer debate surrounding the MicroA1, it depends how each one of us understands and/or interprets the said comments/concepts, but we may not be accurate ourselves.

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@elwood

I have no time to listen that interview, but from what I have got from transcripts, AmigaOS is the core interest of KMOS. AmigaInc and AmigaDE was bought just to help in the process.

(but I need to find the time to LISTEN that interview by myself....)

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Yes, it's what I understood too but I don't believe it. I still have no proof that KMOS does something for AmigaOS...
But of course, I would like to have such proof

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Hi,

Well he spoke about set top box delivering content. This is where I think Amiga OS can be used. That way KMOS will have complete control of software development..But Linux can be used too for instance...so is this the real reason of the buyout I don't know.

He also said that the Amiga Developer community is important (not the user...).
Having said that, Amiga DE run on Linux and Windows so no need to have OS 4.x/5.x to have applications developped for AmigaDE.

So there will be two parts, custom hardware where Amiga OS can be used (ex Set top box...), and alien hardware (windows, linux, PDA, Phone...) where Amiga DE will be used.

It seems logical that Amiga DE is more important for KMOS than AmigaOS. (short term)
They'll maybe have the money to achieve their goals, whereas Amiga Inc failed due to lack of it...

Do they bought the OS first to please the community or is it only to be able to develop boxes where they can fit the OS, time will tell.

I only hope that they will open the doors to the develpers a lot more, not only to commercial developers but to enthusiasts, shareware, freeware developers, the way BE Inc has done it. (free docs, free tools, good websites).

Even Microsoft learn that, they now develop tools for people others than commercial developers, via their Express suite (VB express, VC++ express etc) they even give their compiler free of charge (command lines tools). Its a market of 18 millions people that MS cannot afford to give away to the open source community.

Welcome to the new owner of Amiga.

Regards

Kamelito

KMOS is honouring the contract that Hyperion and/or maybe Eyetech have with them to do with the OS and AmigaOne.

This I would guess is rather a wait and see thing, KMOS knows the direction of OS4, it is the direction it wants it to go in, but until there is a product, e.g. OS4 final release, they can't do anything with it. On the other hand Amiga DE is there right now, it has a possible market of millions, and an unexploited Market at that. If they focus on the DE market and make themselves an revenue stream, when they come to OS4 which has matured they will have more money, and an actual product to sell.

Yeah, KMOS isn't waving a magic wand over OS4 and making everything alright, but the kind of magic wand it would need only resides in the cavernous pockets of Microsofts bank account.

You want OS4 to be great, want AmigaOS to continue, the only answer is to develop for it, make it a fine platform, and one that is attractive to users and developers.
KMOS will be there when Amiga OS is ready, if we make it ready, KMOS will push it.

There is no magic wand, there is no magic bullet, Amiga will only become what we make it

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the only answer is to develop for it

The only answer is for KMOS: show us that it's not a waste of time to develop for AmigaOS, show some good things and you'll have some good things from the Amiga developers !

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I think Garry just said DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS... and jumped around like a chimpansee ... no wait, it was the other bald guy.

But anyway ... (listening the interview) ... Garry puts big emphasis on supporting developers. I think we will hear more about that soonish. And that would be a very very important thing.

Amino tried to get AOS developers to jump to DE. This seems like getting (also DE) developers to support AOS.
(unless this is some new more clever scam to yet again grab AOS application developers...)

Let's see what comes...

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@Bodie

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Certainly seems like the coming months will bring many interesting developments.

I really hope so, but I doubt it.

Great Work!

Looking bright for the future!

/Mattias

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I think what happened is that KMOS bought the AmigaOS for the right reasons. Its a closed solution, that is light and flexible etc... I think their original plan had them distributing video and audio content wirelessly to other platforms, from PCs to PDAs. As I repeatedly posted for the last month, what seemed amiss was software distribution, especially having listened to Garry's previous online speech in which he talked about distributing digital content (games and apps etc) via distributed servers. If he was to do this all the platforms would be incompatable, it would be a mess and AmigaOS and the community would gain nothing really. The very set-top boxes that would distribute the software, would not even be able to run the software they were distributing. Enter AmigaDE.

While AmigaDE was not required for the movie/video distribution he had in mind for a customer he already has attained(as mentioned in his amigaworld interview), it would also be useful in distributing the same software to all the various devices he hoped to target. So really AmigaDE was an afterthought for KMOS, but one that furthers their plans significantly. Also, as the main criticism of the Amiga market is that it is too small to develop for, AmigaDE allows these developers to target the broader audience on all the major platforms with more to come and AmigaOS gains more software as a result.

I would be very surprised if AmigaDE does not get ported for ARM devices soon. It will probably be announced shortly. I've been right about everything so far incidentally. You can check my posts. (I didn't see the AmigaInc aquisition though, but I did shout about including AmigaDE in KMOS's solution as they seemed made for eachother.)

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Ok, sorry, this is not fully on-topic....

But the Capacity networks thing reminded me that .... in y2001 a friend of mine ran Bonnie test SW on AmigaDE (on top of Linux) and it outperformed the Linux native version of the same test SW. Awesome. Using AmigaDE on a cross-platform file server solution might not be too stupid... if that's one of those things Garry wants to do....

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@ KimmoK

hmm, that is interesting, elaborate a little on the relation to the Capacity Networks acquisition. I'd like to see what your thoughts are.

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Thanx so much for these files DaveyD, I was not able to attend the show this year so it is very nice to be able to listen to these. We are considering developing more Amiga applications so keeping up to date info about the company is important.

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It was 4 months ago.
Still nothing from KMOS

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