Good work.

To OS4 users, if there are any willing individuals to test, please step forward.

@PressTamar

Can you sign me up as a tester for future developments?

Rude!

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Although not beeing a gamer myself, your doing a gorgeous job, indeed.

Great job

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Great work. Hope to see a released version soon.

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Great job! So much improvement!

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- WarpUp under OS4 deactivated, since it was actually slower than 68k emulation

This is weird! I had heard this before, but I don't understand why this is happening. Can it be because WarpUp PPC code is not optimized whereas 68K is?

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- possible font errors under OS4 (reason yet unknown)

I'm just shooting in the dark here, but I remember some other applications didn't work with OS4 fonts because of blanks in the font names. Could it be the problem?

Thanks,
Firbodi

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@firbodi

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Quote: - WarpUp under OS4 deactivated, since it was actually slower than 68k emulation This is weird! I had heard this before, but I don't understand why this is happening.

The versions of the OS4 powerpc.library which were released in Update3 and Update4 are unusable slow on 750 CPUs since I had a G4 CPU (where it's fast enough) when I built these old versions and I never got any bugreports about the slow speed on G3 CPUs.

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Can it be because WarpUp PPC code is not optimized whereas 68K is?

No, it's just the cache flushes of the WarpUP code, most of them weren't even required on classic Amigas, the worst example is probably FxPaint (at least the demo version of it). On G4 CPUs that's no big problem, but on 750 CPUs they are very slow.

@AmigaClyde

Tales of Tamar was released in 2002, dude

Since then we made the game better and better. Isnt that true amiga love ?

Regards
Wolfen

still late when most AmigaOne and Pegasos users are running their desktops at 1280x1024.

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hmm. So you think its not possible or not worth for a AmigaOne or Pegasos user to play a game in 1024*768 mode ? I must think about that.

Damn, i should develop a game in 1600*1200 next time. Not important if it is to slow or not.

Regards
Wolfen

i could never get my version to work nicely under aos4, i will give this new version a shot!
thanx for still updating it!

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Damn, i should develop a game in 1600*1200 next time.

Yes, please

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@spotUP

try it. But dont forget to install the base archiv before! First 0.53 then this update!

If you have any question feel free to contact me in the ToT forum. Each problem can be solved.

Regards
Wolfen

Sounds like you are doing a fine job. My hat is off to you.

I know people go crazy for games, but I have never been a game player myself.

I hope more people decide to help test for bugs.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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The versions of the OS4 powerpc.library which were released in Update3 and Update4 are unusable slow on 750 CPUs since I had a G4 CPU (where it's fast enough) when I built these old versions and I never got any bugreports about the slow speed on G3 CPUs.

Does this mean that WarpUp games like WipeOut will be unplayble slow on the 603/604 CPUs, under OS4?

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Does this mean that WarpUp games like WipeOut will be unplayble slow on the 603/604 CPUs, under OS4?

No idea, if it's unplayable slow on AmigaOS 3.x+WarpOS it will be unplayable slow on AmigaOS4 as well, it's probably not much faster on AmigaOS4. But I can't test it myself, although I have an A4000 with CSPPC I don't have a 3D gfx card for it and unlike most other 3D games WipeOut doesn't support software rendering.

@joerg

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No idea, if it's unplayable slow on AmigaOS 3.x+WarpOS it will be unplayable slow on AmigaOS4 as well,

This game specifically, is not very demanding like H2 for example, so it's fairly playble on AOS 3.x+WarpOS. (As long as you have a 3D capable graphics card)
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it's probably not much faster on AmigaOS4.

Mmm... this doesn't sound very good to me. I would be very disappointed if it's true. :-/
One of the reasons for me to use AOS4, would be to get some extra fps from 3D, hardware demanding games...
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But I can't test it myself, although I have an A4000 with CSPPC I don't have a 3D gfx card for it and unlike most other 3D games WipeOut doesn't support software rendering.

Ok. If you are interested you could try the demos of FreeSpace and Heretic 2. Iirc, they support software rendering.

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PHP developer here willing to help Have just signed up via the site looks really cool love the 3d map view the flash movie

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This game specifically, is not very demanding like H2 for example, so it's fairly playble on AOS 3.x+WarpOS. (As long as you have a 3D capable graphics card) Quote: Mmm... this doesn't sound very good to me. I would be very disappointed if it's true. :-/

Way do you think your 604 CPU is going to be any faster on OS4?

WarpUP programs are in fact emulated, native OS4 PPC programs will run faster then WarpUP programs, one thing your going to get whit OS4 on classic is faster OS that’s all, opening windows, listing files, rendering icons, AHI, TCP/IP transferee between computers, any thing that uses native libraries is going to get faster.

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One of the reasons for me to use AOS4, would be to get some extra fps from 3D, hardware demanding games...

You better invest your money on the fastest graphics card you can get for OS4.

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Way do you think your 604 CPU is going to be any faster on OS4?

For 3D games his gfx board would have to get faster on OS4

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WarpUP programs are in fact emulated, native OS4 PPC programs will run faster then WarpUP programs

OS4 native programs are faster becasue they are PPC-only, all WarpUP software includes m68k parts which have to be emulated on OS4 and they do a lot of cache flushes which aren't required on OS4 which makes them slow especially on 750 CPUs, but the PPC part of WarpUP software of course isn't emulated on OS4.

Wolfen: looks amazing, i wish i could start playing again but beeing a os4 betatester and playing at the same time..is a bad combo for now, but i will contact you soon enough!.

keep up the great work you (and your team) always do!.

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Way do you think your 604 CPU is going to be any faster on OS4?

Ehm... NO.
But i DO expect from a PPC NATIVE OS in which there are no CPU context switches and every important element like the exec, the graphics system etc, etc are PPC native to give a performance boost to HW demanding games!... Especially if these games are PPC coded and not 68k..
MorphOS for example gives a small boost to these games. Like an extra 2-5 fps on the Wipeout although i'm not very pleased by MOS overall performance (but hey, it's free!) and i used to expect that OS4 could cope better with this things...
I don't believe that there something wrong with my logic.


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That would be a Mediator with a Voodoo and a good Amiga tower. Lot's of money and i'm not sure if the performance increase will be big enough to justify such purchase. Just look at this thread: http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=30510&forum=8

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