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Hardware News   Hardware News : PegasosPPC discontinued
   posted by adiaux on 5-Nov-2006 12:05:54 (11193 reads)
The PegasosPPC era has come to an end, when the Pegasos is now being discontinued. The last few remaining boards are being put on sale for $399.

http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/11/coffee-tea-or-pegasosppc.html
    

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samo79 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 12:20:09
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???

Does it means that there are no motherboars to play with MorphOS (exept Efika) ?

Afaik MorphOS doesn't run on Pegasos III ...

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adiaux 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 12:34:04
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@ samo79

That's right. When these last few remaining boards are out, there are no more hardware for MorphOS, since MorphOS won't be released for the Efika (it's running there as shown in videos, but "the MorphOS Team" made that decision).

Need I point out that this is an *extremely good price* for the Pegasos2 with 1GHz G4? If you had ever had the thought of trying one out, and testing MorphOS, you *will have to act now*!

There might be boards in stock at dealers, check it out if you are interested.

GGS Data? Vesalia? AmigaKit?

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samo79 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 12:39:45
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To be honest i prefer OS4, so i'll wait for Samantha, aniway, i would happy if someone on the MorphOS-Team decide to port MorphOS on this MoBo, off course i'm curios to try MorphOS but none to buy a motherboard only for it

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adiaux 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 12:59:21
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@ samo79

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To be honest i prefer OS4, so i'll wait for Samantha


Yes, by all means, continue waiting!

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i would happy if someone on the MorphOS-Team decide to port MorphOS on this MoBo


IMHO, the Samantha (while being a cool development that I follow with great interest) is even worse positioned than the Pegasos ever was. The Efika would have been a much better choice to port their OS to.

But "the MorphOS Team" has been bending over backwards in order to distance themselves from Genesi and their hardware, and now when the Genesi train moves on, with "the MorphOS Team" being left behind at the station, then who knows what they will do? Maybe the Samantha looks like a good option for them (following the same "logic" that PowerUP support is more important in their eyes than Efika support)?

Who knows?

But on the other hand ...

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4845&forum=2

... maybe not! (Henes in post 2 being a MorphOS developer )

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RWO 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 13:08:35
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@takemehomegrandma

I still fail to see who chould use the Efika for any usefull thing, its the worst choice for a Desktop computer (looking at current Amiga HW projects), and if you have to use it for something else I fail to se why anyone whould pick the Efika over a lowend VIA.

But I agree that Peg2 is a better choice over Sam, if you want to use it as a Desktop computer and if you overlook that Peg2 don't run OS4.

RWO

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elwood 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 13:27:35
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@ takemehomegrandma

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The Efika would have been a much better choice [than Sam440] to port their OS to.


I think the other way around but it would be offtopic to discuss it here.

Last edited by elwood on 05-Nov-2006 at 01:28 PM.

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Mufa 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 13:34:42
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Of course after july 2006 Pegasos must death. No ROHS compilant = R.I.P.

Last edited by Mufa on 05-Nov-2006 at 01:39 PM.

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adiaux 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
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@ RWO

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I still fail to see who chould use the Efika for any usefull thing, its the worst choice for a Desktop computer


I think an Amiga user would experience it more or less similar to an AmigaOne 600MHz G3 or a Pegasos1, maybe a little faster in some conditions despite the lower CPU clock (because of the borked Articia, and thanks to the on-chip controllers of the 5200B). Anyone having used a G3 Pegasos or A1 knows that this is *not* bad, and I can't really understand how you could call it "useless"! Especially when you look at its price tag!

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ministerq 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 13:49:54
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@mufa

Yes! And you, with you "shocking-ability-prophecy of future", know it! Yes, you know it probably even before European Union, which makes this stupid ROHS directive!... ;)
Are you have already some party on exec? Such an occasion! Maybe some champagne, fireworks? ;) These blue trolls have finally exactly the same situation as redones, no hardware at all! Come on, let's party!

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Aminicle 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 14:08:29
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@ministerq

no, lets cry together ...

Last edited by Aminicle on 05-Nov-2006 at 02:09 PM.

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adiaux 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 14:19:15
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@ elwood

- MorphOS/OS4 user experience that should be comparable to Pegasos1/A1 G3 600MHz
- Hardware available now, at only 199USD/160EUR
- A *complete system* for *less* than 250USD/200EUR in a couple of months.

You were saying?

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zerohero 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 14:23:43
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@takemehomegrandma

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- MorphOS/OS4 user experience that should be comparable to Pegasos1/A1 G3 600MHz


Since when is this OS4 hardware? Could you please stop pushing this as OS4 HW, or show us the licens you've got for it?

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adiaux 
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Posted on 5-Nov-2006 14:35:09
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@ zerohero

I never claimed it to be OS4 hardware! There *are no* OS4 hardware, none whatsoever!

But the Efika is now the *only* open PPC hardware available, capable of running OS4. OS4 *could* run on it, I never said it *does*! I am merely pointing out that the end-user experience (and that does not equal to benchmarks in numbers either, just to have that said) for an OS4 user would be about equal to a 600MHz A1, and that it could *really make a difference* for the Amiga, since it could be widely spread thanks to its unique price, that will only get lower, and that no other PPC hardware could possibly even *come close* to, since they have BOM's that match the Efika's *end user* price.

Goddammit!

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ministerq 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
Posted on 5-Nov-2006 14:48:49
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@Aminicle

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We share one common ground, we are all Amiga users! Respect other opinions, even though you may not agree. Everyone is entitled to their say, but please do so in a courteous manner.


Mate, I get what you're trying to say but please, no "OS4 users this" or "MOS users that".

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zerohero 
Re: PegasosPPC discontinued
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@takemehomegrandma

But at the same time you make sure to pass on a few cheap shots at SAM440 that is supposed to run OS4. What surprises me though, and many with me I guess, is that you kepp on trying to convince us that Efika really is good OS4 hardware, but does it look like we're in a position to do anything about that? If we were do you think we would be in the position where we are today?

OTOH I agree, both the Peg2 and Efika certainly is good HW, but from what I can see neither will ever run OS4. It's not up to us to decide, as simple as that. So what I'm asking that you stop the sales talk. If you want to sell the Efika, sell it for what it really is.

This was posted as zerohero, btw, not the moderator zerohero, if that makes sense

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ssolie 
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Posted on 5-Nov-2006 15:03:35
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@Mufa
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No ROHS compilant = R.I.P.

Each company was allowed to build up their inventories and continue to sell them after the cutoff date. I don't believe companies had to mark which products were lead free and which ones were not.

To counter tmhg's intense sales pitch and be devil's advocate, now that you know these are lead contaminated boards why not make the environmentally responsible decision and not buy them at all? They should be properly disposed of.

Ignoring for a minute that I'm a field commander for the red army you have to admit it is a pretty interesting twist.

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adiaux 
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But at the same time you make sure to pass on a few cheap shots at SAM440 that is supposed to run OS4.


I just say that I think the "SAM440" is poorly positioned, and also why. I think they will sell inside the community, but it won't help the Amiga to expand and break new territory. The Efika would be in a much better position to do this. IMHO of course.

Note that all this is purely hypthetical anyway, since neither the Efika nor the "SAM440" is OS4 hardware.

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OTOH I agree, both the Peg2 and Efika certainly is good HW


I don't know anything about the quality of the Efika, since I have no first-hand experience (yet). However, my trust in b-plan couldn't be bigger!

The quality of the Peg2 is excellent. But that too is poorly positioned, and that's the reason it never became the big success they probably hoped it would. You shouldn't neglect these things. However, as a developers desktop system, it sure *served its purpose*. So while it wasn't a big commercial success, at least it helped clearing a path for following products (like the Efika! ).

I hate to say it, but I also believe that the "Pegasos 8641D" (or whatever it might be called when it gets here) might become poorly positioned in a similar way (if not its price ends up being *really* low, meaning much lower than the current Pegasos2)! But it could still serve a purpose on the 32-bit PPC developer market similar to the Pegasos2, so it may still be worth going ahead with it

The OSW might become a hit!

The Efika will most certainly!

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It's not up to us to decide, as simple as that. So what I'm asking that you stop the sales talk. If you want to sell the Efika, sell it for what it really is.


Again, all this is purely hypothetical.

There is no OS4 hardware.

No-one has an OS4 license.

We can't do anything about that, and it's not up to us to decide. Does this mean that we should drop all discussions about *potential* hardware and their pros/cons? Shut down the HW part of the site, so to say? At least the Efika *is here* ...

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madtrekker 
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Posted on 5-Nov-2006 15:33:34
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@takemehomegrandma

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Maybe the Samantha looks like a good option for them (following the same "logic" that PowerUP support is more important in their eyes than Efika support)?


Leaving aside the "which hardware's best?" discussions that have become well trodden of late, it does strike me that having hardware available which can run both MorphOS and OS4 could do a lot of good. People would be able to have the best of both worlds, and if developers could get their hands on a single board that ran both more software can be made for both platforms.

Obviously a lot of people wanted precisely that situation by requesting a port of OS4 for the Pegasos, but I think it must be as clear as it possibly could be by now that Amiga inc are unwilling to deal with Genesi after their past involvements, so that seems never to have been an option. With the board now being discontinued I guess it is moot anyway.

For me personally, although OS4 is my preferred OS, if it was possible to get a board that could run both, I'd certainly be interested in trying out MorphOS, and I bet there are many others in the same place. Conversely I bet there are quite a few MorphOS users who would be interested to try out OS4.

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zerohero 
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Posted on 5-Nov-2006 15:41:05
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@takemehomegrandma

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We can't do anything about that, and it's not up to us to decide. Does this mean that we should drop all discussions about *potential* hardware and their pros/cons? Shut down the HW part of the site, so to say? At least the Efika *is here* ...


It means many are quite tired of all the hot air, discussions will bring us nowhere. Good for you you have a new toy, but for us that are waiting for OS4 final it means nothing so far. Words don't count for much any longer, you might have noticed there has been quite an abundance of words from all kinds of people lately. Action is what is needed, and unless you yourself is willing to do more than talk about it, it's nothing than more hot air.

Stefan, you see, this particular post has nothing to do with OS4, so it's quite useless to discuss in that regard. It's possible that the Efika is better than SAM440, it's possible that it would've save AmigaOS4 from whatever you think, but that is not the point. This has nothing to do with discussing potential HW even, as you (should, at least) know that it's not likely that any Genesi product will run AmigaOS4.

I think it's quite clear that you want to stir some interest in the Efika, no harm there, but it shouldn't be done as potential OS4 hardware, because it is not. Not at this stage. SAM440 is a potential hardware, we know they're at least trying to get a license for OS4. That's the little thing that makes the big difference...

Edit: typo...

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madtrekker 
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@takemehomegrandma

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I just say that I think the "SAM440" is poorly positioned, and also why. I think they will sell inside the community, but it won't help the Amiga to expand and break new territory. The Efika would be in a much better position to do this. IMHO of course.


The Efika may be cheap, sure, but another relevant question is whether or not either MorphOS or AmigaOS4 are ready to break outside of the community. I don't think they are yet. You might be able to draw back in some people who left in recent years, but I don't think we are ready to go beyond that.

This is why most board manufacturers are looking to the embedded market and to providing Linux support. This is currently one of the few options to sell their hardware in any great numbers.

Right now the major priority is to get more Amiga developers using the new OS' to enable the development of more software, since the lack of key software is currently the biggest problem we face in gaining wider acceptance. Developer hardware doesn't have to be mass-market cheap. (Of course, it helps if it's as cheap as possible, since that will help to encourage developers to pick up the hardware, but it is a small market so higher prices come with the territory)

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