Isn't this perfect yet? :)

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WinUAE will never be Amiga to me. WinUAE is just for those weak people out there that cant or wont fight for Amiga to return. UAE makes people just forget what Amiga is all about and thats a shame. ...


Get a real Amiga or Pegasos instead!

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WinUAE will never be Amiga to me. WinUAE is just for those weak people out there that cant or wont fight for Amiga to return.

That behaviour is just about as stupid, as thinking UAE is the nextgen Amiga. I think it's a great tool, to fight "for Amiga to return" as well. Unfortunately Amiga hardware is not, and can't be accessible anywhere, where UAE is available (f.eg. at work, or when travelling with a laptop). So it can have enough good uses as well. Of course i also prefer using real hardware when possible (posting this from my Peg), but that doesn't deny that there are good uses for UAE.

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Yes, good point...

One has to wonder quite what is left to improve/implement...

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WinUAE will never be Amiga to me. WinUAE is just for those weak people out there that cant or wont fight for Amiga to return. UAE makes people just forget what Amiga is all about and thats a shame. ...

The original Amiga was about cutting edge multimedia at affordable price (refer DaveH’s topics in forums).

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AFAIK, jahc and others use WinUAE oe E-UAE to test their software on 3.X. I'm assuming some _appreciate_ him back-porting wookie (and other people's software) from OS4 to 3.X?

UAE also allows people to keep playing with 'Amiga' when their hardware itself has died, and is responsible for many of those people even knowing _anything_ about 'Amiga' nowadays...certainly not a bad thing. Of course, YOU don't have to use it, but I'm certainly glad _someone_ works on both WinUAE and Rich on E-UAE!

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If it wasn't for WinUAE, I would have waved goodbye to the Amiga completely, because there was no sensible alternative (*). Before WinUAE, I used Amithlon, but it's support for new PCs was too poor for me.

(* A plain 68k is just too slow these days (esp if not an expensive 060), while my buggy BlizzPPC+BVision would often refuse to boot & required at least 3 extra fans to stop it overheating (too often...). To put it simply, classic Amigas were just too unreliable & difficult for me to continue using them. Without emulation, I would have left the Amiga 5 years ago.)

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WinUAE will never be Amiga to me. WinUAE is just for those weak people out there that cant or wont fight for Amiga to return. UAE makes people just forget what Amiga is all about and thats a shame. ...

I have several real Amigas, yet I still use WinUAE as well. There are times when WinUAE has worked better than the real thing for me, such as getting TBL's StarStruck demo to run, which always crashes on my A4000 right at the start, yet I managed to view it perfectly with UAE.

There have also been a lot of classic developers updating and coding new things solely with UAE, and were it not for UAE, these things would not exist. In fact, several of the scene demos released are coded on UAE either in part or in full. As such, your knocking of this great program is completely unwarranted and out of place.

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WinUAE will never be Amiga to me.

I only agree 50% with you. You're rigth that physical emulation never will be the real thing. But emotional the closer the better. For each new version of WinUAE it feels more closer to the real thing. At least to me.

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WinUAE is just for those weak people out there that cant or wont fight for Amiga to return. ...

I Disagree.

I LOVE to use WinUAE when I'm on holyday and don't have access to my REAL Amigas.

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UAE makes people just forget what Amiga is all about and thats a shame.

I'm using WinUAE to tell / show people what an Amiga is all about, and so far it is MY experiences that 90 % - 95% is impressed everytime. So here I also disagree with you.

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Even if its an emulator its amiga. It runs classic aos or ? It runs on a machine that is alooooot faster then the classic which makes you even able to run software on high speed like movies, play mp3/ogg/flac etc while running other tools fast. What more.... If you make music HD-Rec is a good example. It has cpueating plugins and a fast pc running hdrec is good. Running hdrec on classic machines is not even near. Try just running the reverb effect. Ok you can use windows programs instead but if your an amigian you like to use amiga apps ;). Then you have the bonus to use windows at same time for example if you need to browse a page or alot of pages that dont work under amigaos. Check a movie that there are no codecs for classic amiga.
If i didnt have my Amigaone i would go WinUAE. Classic was good but to slow for my needs. Specially encoding music etc.

And its boring to hear every time some new version comes out. "this is no real amiga, this isnt the real thing". Who cares, people uses it for a reason. They dont have classic, they dont have a1, they dont have peg, they want to use windows and same time use amigaos. Hey i would like to use windows and os4 on own screen. Just switch between them. If you dont like winuae dont use it ;)

@cecilia. I like the idea of having amigos on a flashcard ;)

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I think ANY version of Amiga is good. Because of WinUAE I have been able to test software, and write tutorials that keep people interested in USING amigas.

And what I really love about it is that it's a grass-roots effort. we are not depending on some company or CEO who is claiming to "save" us. We are using our brains and sweat to create something that is fun and useful!

yeah for US!!!

the REAL Amiga users!

Because WinUAE works on my laptop, its the first time - several years ago - that my Amiga OS became portable.

Now, I have been able to put AROS lite on a flash drive and THAT'S REALLY portable!!

As AROS becomes mature image how wonderful it is to impress people by poping your Flash into THEIR system and showing off an Amiga OS???

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I dont like WinUAE and I am right to think so. My comments against it is that it feels like Amiga then it has to be Amiga.. no its not for me... UAE is a imitation of Amiga. Its copy, copy.. bad copy!...

Right that some of the developers use it and thats ok, but as a real Amiga thingy, it will never be.

I don`t like it.

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but as a real Amiga thingy, it will never be.

This argument could be used against you for recommending a Pegasos as well, since it too is not a "real Amiga". Sure it has an Amiga-like OS, and MOS is a brilliant OS that works marvels in making things binary compatible (not unlike OS4 via Petunia)

But if the exe bangs on the hardware that used to exist in an Amiga, MOS on a Pegasos will fail to run it, which leaves you needing a real Amiga or WinUAE.

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You may be right in your disliking, while on a subject level, and still having your assumptions be wrong, at least there's nothing objective through your own subjectivity. Through your experience you might had found the WinUAE to be far from a real machine, but that's it, your personal experience...

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For me, MorphOS and PegasosII are not clones, infact its more AmigaOS 3.1 than anything out there from my perspective.

UAE is a emulator! Not something that is a part of any amigaos like Trance or Petunia. Its seperate from x86 thru WinUAE etc.

AmigaOSes for me:
AmigaOS 3.1
AmigaOS 4.0
MorphOS

AROS -on thin ice in my mind ;p as you might understand, i am not a fan of x86 marked :)


Emulators:
Amithlon
AmigaXL
UAE

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I dont like WinUAE and I am right to think so. My comments against it is that it feels like Amiga then it has to be Amiga.. no its not for me... UAE is a imitation of Amiga. Its copy, copy.. bad copy!...

well then ..... If you don't like WinUAE then just don't use it. It can't be that difficult.

That seems to be most logical option from MY point of view.

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WinUAE is just for those weak people out there that cant or wont fight for Amiga to return

Fight for what mate?
I dont know Who Owns Amiga OS anymore or are we going to see any Real Hardware
for Amiga.

Till Then i like to see WinUAE as my Top Amiga Os under my Laptop Does the job plus
does it faster then any real 68k amigas can do so why pick on WinUAE instead of amiga inc.


a)harware (amiga inc not interested)
b)OS (amiga inc not interested) but anyone else does it then they want some money
c)money (amiga inc dont have any anyway)
d)Amiga inc (Continue Making Silly games for amiga anyware and try to sell them)
e)www.eyetech.co.uk/ (only company atleast tryed hard to do something for amiga)
f)www.amigadevindia.com/ (they are working for Microsoft and seems like only interested in mobile market not anything for amiga)

I think amiga inc only interested on amigas name not amigaOS or new Hardware....

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*lmao* MOS itself as well as OS4 are then also 'emulators.'
Please, give it a rest, and let those (many more than your single opinion (not 'fact')) enjoy UAE if they choose to do so, without more mindless, needless arguing over it already.

It's attitudes like yours that make 'Amiga' management seem almost sane- without UAE, Amithlon, and others, even the _name_ Amiga, let alone software, would have vanished entirely long ago for all intents and purposes.

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@AmiDelf2 who said Quote:

WinUAE will never be Amiga to me.

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I don`t like it.

No one said *you* had to like it, but your previous comment was this:

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WinUAE is just for those weak people out there that cant or wont fight for Amiga to return. UAE makes people just forget what Amiga is all about and thats a shame. ...

Now, that is an intolerant & inflammatory remark, and what I think most of the objections were aimed at.

UAE might make *you* forget what Amiga means to *you*, but there's no reason to assume the same applies to everyone else. Sure, it will apply to some, but not everyone. Amiga means different things to different people.

For me, about 5 years ago, Classic Amiga had come to mean really expensive & unstable h/w. Without Amithlon, I would have been gone long ago. Have you ever tried a proper Amithlon installation? It's at least *10 times* faster than any Classic Amiga you've ever used, as far as processing power goes, and several times faster than for HD access. It feels JUST LIKE a real Amiga, except much faster. (Oh, and you can't run any h/w hitting games, but OS4 can't either. Actually Amithlon is more compatible than OS4!)

BTW, Amithlon is really a hybrid between emulation & a real OS, because Amiga OS has full access to (virtually) all the RAM, device drivers can be 68k, and direct gfx-card access. WinUAE & all other emulators I know of has none of those features.

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