Again only 2 pages, and again, un-bounded rounds of text.

Gebro, what about making at last no less that 10 pages for next issue, round the bounds of text, create first page as page with name of articles (not like now just some text which are the same by bold and size as articles text), and add more design to it ?

Then, it will be interesting to check.

Sorry, but again looks like fast work and non-professional. Time to grow up with skills :)

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Gebro, what about making at last no less that 10 pages for next issue

Do think it would all fit into 10 pages? And become the Monthly Pages? Almost sounds like a telephone directory.

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Sorry, but again looks like fast work and non-professional.

The only fast work is in the uploading. It's not called a Monthly Page for nothing.

The PDF is output from PageStream, but I have noticed it makes the layout look funny. Don't know what it's doing.

Oh BTW, don't you have to pay for a professional finish these days?

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Uno Kraeppe Article by Damien

Oh c'mon man. I write One Crappy article but you don't have tell everyone in Euro language on the front page about it. Haha.

@ Bitman :

Thank you.

@ kas1e :

I bet though, that your mag is not only using Amiga OS4.x software, and actually uses software from other Operating Systems. If so, then its already an unfair statement you make.

We also still have lives and are doing this part time, the entire operation, be it Monthly page or practicing with creating games, and ports, testing, research, etc.

Not all of us are as lucky as you and get to jump on a computer every night.

Also, as Hypex said, in PageStream 4 it is easy to read, and well laid out, but when exporting to PDF format, everything seems to change, and neither of us can work out why.

AND

As he also stated, thats correct Monthly Page should never be beyond 4 pages or less then 1 page where possible, as that is the reasoning behind the name, Monthly Page, a quick read with an interview a month from various Amiga users, companies, developers, etc.

Why four pages, well, 4 x A4 would still be able to fit on ONE page, called an A1.

Cheers.

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I must say that out of all the Amiga mags being produced, this one is the worst. Poorly edited, too short and with nothing interesting in it. Maybe something more like Amiga Report would be better?

May be of interest,

had a look on my Linux machine, after downloading PDF, and it looks better then on the Amiga OS.

Perhaps the PDF viewer is not that good yet on Amiga OS?

Either way, its not really a MAGAZINE, but exactly what I said in my previous posting, 1 - 4 pages in Length, main aim to have an interview if possible monthly from various people in the Amiga community, and for updates, and the like.

Cheers

P.S. Might buy PageStream 5 and see if the problem is fixed.

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@Gebrochen
I think that Kas1e vastly underestimates the work (time & effort) required to write a monthly 'magazine'. Even Amiga Future is only every two months! I think it's great that you manage to produce something (semi) regularly at all... Although if Kas1e wants to contribute an article every month, I'm sure you wouldn't say no!

That said, readability (even with Adobe Reader) isn't great, due to the layout. The changes I think would help are:
* Large font size - at least 10 point. (Of course this increases the number of pages - and maybe will please Kas1e!)
* Only two columns per page. (Even three might be ok, but four is way too much.)
* Automatic spacing between paragraphs. At the moment it seems to be manually done (if at all), and makes reading much harder.

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@gebro
CrhisH give you good points. We all have our problems, our real lives, jobs, wifes and childs, but if you already do something, please, try to do it best as you can. For now, that PDF 2-pages paper, looks a bit worse. Bad design, bad layout. And when i see news about it, i for first 5-6 issues just skip it (after i read first one), because it was unreally bad even for today days on amiga . Then, after 10 i start to download and just check it regular, just in hope that it will be at last changed to normal layout, design and maybe content.

It's no about trolling or kind, it's just about : please, make it better. Check other mags, check other PDF mags. Download all the amiga PDF mags and compare.
Try to improve your skills. No need asnwers like "i make it in PageStream, and because of it it suck!", then not make PDF at all. Make HTML magazine, or code engine , or use public ones.


@CrhisH
Imho better do nothing, if compare with bad done pdf mag. I know about i talk, i made some mags (for dos, for win32 , for aos) and i can say, that with 1 mounts just 2-3 hours per day, very possible to create pretty good looking pdf magazine (which not request any coding skill , just design ones).

If Gebro have no time or skills to create good PDF mag (even just PDF mag, which not request coding skills), then better spend more time, and release it every 2, or 3 mounts.

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I'm with Chris and Kas1e, their points are valid.

It's a shame not to get it 100% (or just 99) perfect when you are going through such an effort to create the monthly pages.
It's short but that's fine with me as it's monthly. What you need to do (IMO) is making a consistent design you can use month after month that helps ease reading. As it is atm. it's a little bit messy.

If it's not possible to make a good looking PDF from PageStream (I don't own it, so I don't know) make a HTML mag instead.

I like the articles and I think if you try to improve you will get a lot more readers.

EDIT: And please, clickable links when you post news items (this goes for all).... I'm too lazy to cut and paste:)

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I don't see this argument going anywhere.... but there's no need to have so high-and-mighty rudeness like "Try to improve your skill". Feedback is important, but it should be constructive - saying that kind of rude thing does not help. (And in fact I don't feel it is deserved either.) Of course English is not your first language, so we have to make allowances for that, which is why I haven't said anything nastier (nor raised an abuse report).

And regarding "improve your skill", the only way one improves is by DOING. Everyone starts bad, and gets better. Releasing a small magazine like Gebrochen does seems like a good way to learn. (Constructive feedback helps, but keep criticism constructive & carefully written.)

P.S. 2-3 hours per day, every single day, is a lot to ask. One needs to be motivated, and surely your kind of comments do not help that.

P.P.S. I think monthly release schedule is best. Short & frequent is more fun (and gets more & better feedback) than big & infrequent. If he released a huge opus every 6 months, and only THEN did people complain about it's layout/etc, then a lot more effort would be wasted.

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@ChrisH
I just about making every issue better and better. For now all the issues looks like "no progress in design/layout at all". Imho every magazine on every platform, with every issue looks better and better, because authors listen the readers, and trying to improve it. That what i try to say basically.

For example you already do some nice image-viewer/etc. With every version you do it better, add more features, etc. Everyone in interest about more features and alt, and ask you about, and you add it, because you want to make it better.

The same for magazine. If you stuck on the same as in issue1, then no progress visibly, then its not interesting no ppls (well, except that someone interesting in anything, just because it happens).

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@ All

OK

I give up, no more Amiga when it comes to PDF the magazine then, too many complaints, I tried not to use anything else, but fark it.

1mouse from the BlitterWolf team has now fixed this months issue slightly via his windows machine and it seems to Export PDF's better then PageStream 4.

Maybe when I stop running out of money I'll update to PageStream 5, and even then I am only assuming the Exporting to a PDF has been fixed on the latest version of the program.

Cheers

P.S. I am extremely glad to hear, I say " HAPPY" to hear that there are many Amigans that appreciate the INTERVIEWS, and that can understand, I am unable to afford a few hours a day like some People, (kas1e). It is just unrealistic, I get home after a general 9 hours a day of work(paid work) have dinner, help my sick mother, etc, etc,

It should have never come down to the wire for me to need to EXPLAIN MYSELF to a community that I just wanted to be a part of, since I love using the Amiga OS.

Thank you

Hope you are all happier with the newer uploaded Monthly Page 13. I appreciate most of the positive criticsm and feedback, not many users seem to be bluntly RUDE,

The next Monthly Page will hopefully again be done via a different OS, ONLY for the actual PDF part, so that kas1e can stop being so mean to me.

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Glad to hear that next ones will be better.

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@ Kas1e

A little fact, and although sad, it is true,

Unfortunately our so called crap magazine, the best it has ever done, is 1057 reads, at Monthly Page 11, I hope in future we can do better,

and not for you though, just as a general, simplistic magazine that is 1 - 4 pages long, for the Amiga Community.

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If anyone has comments on the magazine could they please reserve them to the content and not the layout.

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Count of downloads here mean nothing. + that is PDF only (which everyone check on windows mostly). I can give you a count of real downloads of real magazines with real amiga executables, and that 1000 - just nothing in compare. You know, today amigans download everything, because they want even something. That not mean that is good or bad, just download because why not check PDF pages, maybe it will be not bad after all.

As i say before, just download any other amiga PDF magazine, and check how its done.

We all here (and i am), only want to make thinks better, and because of it, we spend our time to write that comments for you. Basically many ppls just does not care about, and you can be only happy that we try to help you out.

All in all, will be interesting to see next issue with new changes about say CrhisH and Troels (for example, if my comments are a bit harish for you).

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If anyone has comments on the magazine could they please reserve them to the content and not the layout.

Only interesting in all that 13 issues, its few interviews in last issues with interesting ppls. And while that interviews bad designed by layout and desing, its a bit worse to read.

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I don't know why it's in PDF format anyway, it's not like there are ever any graphics etc. in it. Straight ASCII would be better.