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linnar 
Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 10:56:29
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- I think CUSA should continue buying up names right around the Commodore / Amiga. These rights would CUSA to help the Amiga community with by allowing the hardware / software to get the name they so desperately need.

- I think CUSA is leasing space in the upcoming "SoftStore" for the Amiga Community-produced software.

- I think you should develop a retro Amiga where the shell is going to buy separately for hardware developed within the Amiga community. Both individuals and businesses to buy. Company shall have the right to assemble the own hardware and sell under their own name with "Amiga" on the shell.

- I think you should work with most companies in the Amiga community in various fields.

- I think you should send Aros in the Commodore OS Vision. There should be no problem if cooperation can be established with the enterprises in the Amiga community.

- Commodore OS Vision is now a successful product, but in the future should become more Amiga-like OS, and more a full-fledged distro. It may be a variant of C64/Vic and another version for the Amiga series.

- In the future, I think CUSA could contribute to the formation of an association of all businesses / organizations in the Amiga community that is responsible for creating rules aimed at all pull together with the various hardware and software. For example, you can have rules for how an OS should look like (not exactly) to get called "Amiga". One can agree on fonts and so on.



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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:03:32
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@SHADES

>>I don't see the difference.

Never mind, post #94 has an example for you. What you might think is "rude" somewhere else is described as sense of humour, sarcasm maybe it doesn't translate well.


>>Rude is rude no matter what ribbon you put around it. Telling someone where to go, to the sun, or the bottom of a dung pile is rude.

That is what you think. For example I read a review about the Atom cpu a few days back and the reviewer said it was crap (I agreed!). Do you consider that rude? I read another review of a ViewSonic monitor and the reviewer said the monitor Over Drive facility was rubbish. ViewSonic took it on the chin and CHANGED the firmware. Win for the user who can now watch porn without a ghosting effects!


>>I don't like reading your posts when they are like this, most of the time I don't.


That is a shame. I like reading yours though, they are thought provoking.
I wouldn't be able to reply without them.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:05:39
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@TheDaddy

It's not funny.
No it doesn't translate well, I agree with you there.

You can't change others, only yourself.

Thanks for the compliment.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:07:01
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Simply focus on morphos: it is the most advanced amigoid os and it's going on x86.
Or if you want on aros: it's my love.
Then you can call your machines as you want: commodore brand is far more huge and important than amiga.
Choose another name for "friend". I.e. in french, russian, polish or whatever you like. So you wouldn't hurt anyone feelings and you will be safe from hyperion's love for judges and law courts...
french: commodore ami
albanian: commodore mik
bask: commodore lagun
haitian: commodore zanmi
danish: commodore ven
welsh: commodore ffrind
greek: commodore filos (i don't know how i can write it in greek alphabet)
there are some hundred languages on the earth to express the same term...


this in irish is simply fantastic:
commodore cara.
in italian cara= darling...

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:11:04
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@SHADES

>>It's not funny.

Debatable. I bet Franko and Darrin find it hilarious.

>>No it doesn't translate well, I agree with you there.

Shame, you are missing out, never mind. Just to know which OS do you run?



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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:15:57
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Exactly what tommywright said on page 1.

If you guys want to be part of the Amiga community, then great, but don't steam-roll in out of nowhere, be abrasive and tell us you're taking it over (which is essentially what happened when Barry reared his head last year).

Belittling projects such as OS4 and AROS, and telling the community that everything we believe in is crap and we should all be happy you're rebadging PCs as Amigas. You'll win no support that way.

Most of us are very passionate about the Amiga, rebadging PCs with the original model numbers and passing off generic PCs (which we don't care about) as these machines/developments of them is upsetting and akin to raping our memories.

Admit who you are, stop faking, you're just using the name to sell PCs, fine, but at least admit it.

If you want to do something for the current community, call your Amiga PCs just that "Amiga PCs", aknowledge OS4/MOS/AROS on your site as continuations of the original platform. Licence Amiga Forever (I believe you have) have a dual boot on these AmigaPCs either into Windows or COS AND into AmigaOS natively, a nicely setup 3.9 install that boots transparently in emulation from boot, that would make a nice machine. Make it look like an Amiga too.

Make cases like the 64x for Amiga fans, a lot of us might like to build an emulation machine inside an A1200 replica for example, or house our A1/Sams in an A4000 style case.

Give us something in return for support and respect, don't just demand and expect it.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:17:32
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I run a multitude of different OS daily because of my job in IT and the medical sector.

It means my daily usage of OS consists mainly of SCO Unix, HP UX, Centos (Redhat free version) Windows XP and Windows 7 / Windows Server flavours. In no particular order.

I do find the biggest use is Windows due to the ability to communicate with the most hardware and access most of the others however, my usage requirements dictate that I must run all of the above and some others, not as frequently, native and not emulated.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:27:34
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@danwood

Brilliant!

You are now officially rude!

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:32:06
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@TheDaddy

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@danwood

Brilliant!

You are now officially rude!



:) I smiled at this. Danwood's post translated much better i'm afraid.
Not even in the same ball park

Although I did find your jest on my rudeness description funny

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
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@Rob

As much as I like OS4 and MOS, there is no commercial market for CUSA there, they're not ready for the "mainstream". At least CUSA should aknowledge them though, and not pretend nothing has happened to Amiga since 1994, as their site claims now.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
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@SHADES

Cool, lots of operating systems.

What do you run at home?

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:42:54
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@SHADES

>>:) I smiled at this. Danwood's post translated much better i'm afraid.

Possibly because a) english is not my native language, b) I tend to be straight to the point c) you haven't exchanged messages with dan yet so the thing is less personal
I hope this is to your satisfaction

>>Although I did find your jest on my rudeness description funny

Oh well, lived in England for a long time, this is what happens




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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 11:50:12
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@TheDaddy

Quote:
Cool, lots of operating systems. What do you run at home?


Mainly Windows 7 and Ubuntu. Although.......I have d/l a copy of AROS recently to have a look and occasionally, i still fire up Winuae for AMIGA OS 3.9. As i am currently restoring a 4000D main-board and 1200 for a small retro club here in Melb.

If you are hinting at if i have used AMIGA OS professionally at all, well, yes, quite extensively in the early years. I tried for a very long time to only use AMIGA OS, even some of the old Telephone ring noises in Australia are still AMIGA produced converted sound files in 8 bit.

Unfortunately, for me, the programs I require and requirements for technical abilities, not to mention personal finance means, I do find I am spending less and less time on the AMIGA OS.
It just doesn't fulfill the needs of my life anymore and the latest offerings require me to purchase overly expensive and quite limited/rare hardware.

That being said, I do still like the way AMIGA OS is set-out and is used. Even to this day.
I'd like to see it become more accessible again and have up to date programs port/written for it.

If I could, I would love to start using it again, at the moment, that is not possible for me.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 12:03:13
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Possibly because a) english is not my native language, b) I tend to be straight to the point c) you haven't exchanged messages with dan yet so the thing is less personal I hope this is to your satisfaction >>Although I did find your jest on my rudeness description funny Oh well, lived in England for a long time, this is what happens


I was being personal because I wanted to point out to you, where I found your post to be taken in offense.

That way, you can change/improve if you want to do so. If not, you may never find out why someone has an issue with what you say.

Being straight to the point and trying to be funny in this case have lead to someone being told to end themselves and I, perhaps others, found that unreasonably unfriendly.

That being said, you do seem to be making an effort and my opinion of your communication, at least with me, is enjoyable.

We are sort of hijacking Ben's Thread though, being off topic, so maybe we should leave it here and hopefully I will get to chat to you personally on the IRC channel some time

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 12:06:13
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I cannot honestly think of anything positive coming from Commodore USA if they are to continue with plan's to sell Commodore Amiga branded Linux based systems. If it were legal to have them sell it with AROS that would be a bad thing for AmigaOS - just further confusion for anyone outside the Amiga community. Also the idea of AROS is for it to work on general X86 hardware, so some customers may feel they have been conned when they realize they could have just installed AROS on there current PC's!

If Commodore USA wants to do something positive for Amiga brand/community but still sell hardware then instead of selling computers sell high quality Amiga branded Cases & Amiga Keyboards with 'A' keys for Classic Amiga models & OS4 systems. Maybe do a new production run of 2000, 3000 & 4000 cases (or perhaps even 500 & 600 cases with minor improvements but same basic design). That is the only thing I can think of.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
Posted on 9-Dec-2011 12:13:03
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@SHADES

>>If you are hinting at if i have used AMIGA OS professionally at all

No I wasn't hinting at anything as I am sure that 90% of the people around here have used an Amiga in their lifetime...

>>It just doesn't fulfill the needs of my life anymore and the latest offerings require me to purchase overly expensive and quite limited/rare hardware.

Which takes us to my previous post of the Amiga in its actual state is not a massive attraction, apart from playing some cool tricks BUT if you never take the plunge you just miss out, you can always sell it on if you hate. But you can't have an idea without first trying it properly and learning.

>>That being said, I do still like the way AMIGA OS is set-out and is used. Even to this day.

Indeed, that is why I am still hanging on, messing about with a SAM and OS4.1upd3 at the moment and having fun and frustration at the same time but to me it's totally Amiga. It feels as I have never sold my A1200 BPPC+Mediator+Voodoo OS3.5 and 3.9, it has exactly the same feeling and spirit apart from the increased speed and additions.

>>I'd like to see it become more accessible again and have up to date programs port/written for it.

This might happen one day but as things stand development is extremely slow.

I don't hate CUSA, I have said it before even though some like to present it differently. I just wished they had been honest from the beginning, without the lies, the attacks the insults etc...there was no need for it, treating people as if they are stupid is big NO NO!

So if I could give an advice, for what is worth, one that isn't rude, I'd say: "Be yourself, nobody is going to take the #### if you run a business from a garage, nobody is going to criticise if you are honest and clear about your projects. Don't attack other people's work (AROS, OS4, MOS etc...), behave in a professional manner and people will come and listen"




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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
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@TheDaddy

Ok I think you made your opinion very clear of what your expecting from CUSA. Now, would it be possible please to respect other people here on this thread that want to have a constructive debate. If you can't behave this way regarding CUSA stuff, is it so difficult just ignoring this thread?

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@SHADES

>>That way, you can change/improve if you want to do so. If not, you may never find out why someone has an issue with what you say.

No thanks.

>>Being straight to the point and trying to be funny in this case have lead to someone being told to end themselves and I, perhaps others, found that unreasonably unfriendly.

I am not trying to be funny. It just comes out like that. The "others" who have problems are the usual suspects, nothing new and I am not that bothered either. They have obviously not got a leg to stand on.

That being said, you do seem to be making an effort and my opinion of your communication, at least with me, is enjoyable.

I can see the same on your part.

We are sort of hijacking Ben's Thread though, being off topic

Yes we should leave Ben to tell us more.

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
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@Seblam

>>Ok I think you made your opinion very clear of what your expecting from CUSA. Now, would it be possible please to respect other people here on this thread that want to have a constructive debate. If you can't behave this way regarding CUSA stuff, is it so difficult just ignoring this thread?


As long as respect is both ways, let's construct then.
Where do we start?
PS: You never told me about your game...is it finished yet?

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Re: A challenging question from CUSA.
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My thanks to all those who contributed civil constructive suggestions....
I didn't pose the question to argue....or to get into all the potential roadblocks and politics......but to reach out to one of the most passionate computer groups in computing history....and listen....to see if anything can be done, if any compromise can be reached or any insight can be gained.
I can only promise that we will keep these suggestions in mind when it comes to making product decisions in future.

But rather than bring this to a close........I have another question.....and I hope we can continue this civil discourse.....

Let's say we would love to do everything you are saying......what if.....for whatever reason we can't do any of that....or more to the point.....can't do it right now?
What would you consider a sufficient plan B in the meantime?

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