@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: Interesting clip on mini keyboard for XBox 360 controllers: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/news/04/05/text_screen002.jpg I wonder if we will see a webbrowser.

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here is some interesting info. if you want buy xbox360.



http://www.consumeraffairs.com/home_electronics/xbox.html

there is some BIG problem whit hardware.

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@sloxa

Overheating. Scary indeed.

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@sloxa
here is some interesting info. if you want buy Sony
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/home_electronics/sony_play.html
there is some BIG problem whit hardware.

@Trezzer

You seem to think trolling is disagreeing with you!

You state I have no knowledge of games. Given that you do not know me on what do you base this?

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@BrianK

IMO all of Sony's products (PS2, PS3, PSP, other consumer electronics) should be judged seperately, ususally Sony's more expensive products are more sturdy.

Also note that the PS2 userbase is worldwide many times bigger than that of the XBox 360. I think in Europe the XBox 360 issues is currently affecting sales, as sales seem to be extradionary slow.

@ plus4

We know Trezzer, so I think most people will take any cheapshot with a grain of salt. Of course your opinions are just as valuable as his opinions.

@MikeB

You are amazing. And I don't mean that in a good way.

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@plus4

In fact, forget it. I don't log in enough to discuss this properly. Just accept that lots of people don't like the 360 or 360 fanboys and they DO like the PS3.

I'm willing to accept people like you exist. In fact, it makes the world interesting.

I think MikeB is doing a far better good job of countering your 'intellegent' arguments, one-up man ship, spurious suggestions and thinly veiled 'damming with faint praise'

And since you love smilies so much -

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@MikeB

His opinions are more valid than yours MikeB. Remember that.

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This "community" isn't worth it any more. Bye.

Thanks to those of you who've acted with decency.

All projects are to be considered as terminated.

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@MikeB

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IMO all of Sony's products (PS2, PS3, PSP, other consumer electronics) should be judged seperately, ususally Sony's more expensive products are more sturdy.

I would not agree with that assessment to be perfectly honest. It has been my general observation that most first release (launch) console hardware has issues of one kind or another.

The PS2 has its problems (our launch machine (Sept 2000) died at 11 months old, crashing the moment any kind of DVD / FMV footage needed to be played). The "recon" unit they supplied after is now also flakey when reading DVDs.

Launch XBox's had power cable issues that in some instances lead to the unit and/or parts of your house burning.

Launch XBox 360's have the heating problem. In fact, my 360 which I bought last year (June 2006) didn't have a working HD and was taken back to the store the next day to be replaced with a new unit - which is still working perfectly well. They also have the "scratched disk" problem, but that only happens if you move the machine from horizontal to vertical with a disk in the machine and the unit running.

Launch Wii's have had some very dodgy cases of them spitting game disks out and needing replacing.

I suspect the PS3 will have issues with its launch hardware too. For that reason alone, assuming I get one, it will not be for at least a year after its release here - by which time it's price will have dropped and better titles will be available for it making better use of its abilities.

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@BrianK

With the PS2 still outselling the 360, it could be that the PS2 complaints are just some unlucky people that have bought one of the machines that's within an "acceptable" failure rate (usually a low percentage).

The current problem with the 360 seems to be something similar to the original production problem. Although the first problem was a problem with the thermal paste, from what I've read the current problem is that the GPU hasn't been properly soldered and it will show as soon as the 360 starts heating up. I guess it heats up within the "normal" boundaries, but because of the fault in the production process the GPU just quits.

What I think is really questionable about M$ that it shows the same behaviour again as with the first problem. They claim it's just the people within the "acceptable" failure rate and it's not a design or production problem. I hope for those people that M$ will repeat the whole cycle again and will refund the money for repairs, etc. But let's just hope it won't take them six months to acknowledge that same mistake.

@_Steve_

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I would not agree with that assessment to be perfectly honest. It has been my general observation that most first release (launch) console hardware has issues of one kind or another.

I don't disagree many gaming consoles had launch problems I think a big reason was more moving parts, so NES, SNES and Nintendo64 probably were more sturdy. But I think the amount of reports with regard to the XBox 360 is extraordinary.

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Launch XBox 360's have the heating problem. In fact, my 360 which I bought last year (June 2006) didn't have a working HD and was taken back to the store the next day to be replaced with a new unit - which is still working perfectly well. They also have the "scratched disk" problem, but that only happens if you move the machine from horizontal to vertical with a disk in the machine and the unit running.

According to experts it's best to place your XBox 360 horizontally as tests indicated fewer scratches. (Blu-Ray scratches will be as good as non existant)

Some reasons why I believe the PS3 is and has been made more sturdy:

1) Price, Sony is already losing enough money on hardware sales. Recalls and repairs would be expensive.
2) Regarding overheating, the PS3 comes with a 380 Watt power supply way beyond the amount of Watts the console is actually using (150-200 Watts), so they seem to have calculated in additional expansions.
3) Regarding drive issues, a Blu-Ray drive can spin the disc more slowly to achieve good enough data reading speeds, due to a much higher density on the disc. The XBox 360 has to spin DVDs like crazy, moving parts are more prone towards wearing and thus problems for the long run.

BTW here's IMO a good thread on the advantages Blu-Ray is able to provide with regard to games.

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@MikeB


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IMO all of Sony's products (PS2, PS3, PSP, other consumer electronics) should be judged seperately,

You've stated a couple of times you had no knowledge of Sony console issues. A couple of us mentioned them to you. But, why not read and learn that Sony's systems have indeed had issues.

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@jiyong

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What I think is really questionable about M$ that it shows the same behaviour again as with the first problem. They claim it's just the people within the "acceptable" failure rate and it's not a design or production problem. I hope for those people that M$ will repeat the whole cycle again and will refund the money for repairs, etc. But let's just hope it won't take them six months to acknowledge that same mistake.

I would just tell you I bought my Xbox 360 in December, and immediately after I registered it with Xbox live, they sent me an email telling my my warranty on the product had been extended for an entire year. To me that means good service and what I have come to expect from Microsoft. To me that's being a service hero..

@DonnieA2

I don't know where you are, but where I live 12 months is standard warranty by law. That said, it's nice of them to do that.

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@KrasH

Ok, which ones built tougher.

WARNING: Videos contain some swearing.

Smash My PS3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI

Smash My Xbox 360

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anHkwBYH-bY

Smash My Wii

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdVYnn1CTVs

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@KrasH

Just the other side of the world in the United States, the blue state of Michigan to be exact. It originally came with a 90 day warranty here.

@DonnieA2

I would say you are only experiencing the last part of the story.

It took M$ six months to acknowledge a problem people were suggesting in several forums? How is that for a service hero? And as I said, they are just doing it again. Looks like they haven't learned from the previous mistake.

And by the way, the Brits have seen the GPU fault after a year. Good luck with your 360. I hope for you, you won't have to prove M$ they made a design or production error.