@Lou

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Why slow yourself down to Wi-Fi when you have Gbit-LAN?

It means you don't need to have your PS3 plugged into the broadband modem.
If your modem is in a different part of the house that's quite a convenience.

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Who needs a card reader when a camera and USB interface will suffice?

Have you any idea how slow some of the in-camera USB interfaces are?

I have a digital camera and it's interface sucks - and that's on a *good* (read $3000) camera.

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@KrasH

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When will a $AUD 1,000 ($US800) PC be able to compete against the 360 or PS3? That's the $64,000 question.

How does $400 sound?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2727021&sku=G153-GT4022&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM1336C

@Lou

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How does $400 sound?

The problems are the processor and video. Though I think you can upgrade those. AMD X2 4800+ for ~$130 and a 8800GTS for ~$260. $10 under the $800 US and would definitely give the PS3 a decent fight. The only notable lack would then be a Blu-Ray player.

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@BrianK

The 8800GTS is a whole generation over the RSX,

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@Lou

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Why slow yourself down to Wi-Fi when you have Gbit-LAN

How many people have this infrastructure at home? If the PS3 is the only Gigabit device in the house it doesn't make much sense.

My experience is that 54G usually is enough. So far the average consumer can't afford an internet connection that fast. 54G usually is fast enough for streaming content.

I despise WiFi bridges. Usually they come with an extra power supply.

@Lou

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Lou wrote: @jiyong Quote: 1-1-2008 or earlier is the end for 20 GB PS3 and only one model PS3 will be sold Already happened. Just awaiting a formal announcement from Japan as they supposedly still sell them there...

That's funny, you're counting you're chickens before they're hatched.

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Quote: 1-1-2008 BR players (so not just a hypothetical add-on for 360) cost as much as an XBOX (I assume you mean the 360 Premium?) Blu-Ray players are down to $600 ALREADY...and no, I don't mean PS3s...

But they should go below $399. We're not there yet. And the Premium might go down in price for X-Mas. And where does it say PS3?

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Quote: 1-1-2008 PS3 60 GB still costs $599 Will the Xbox 360 Elite coming out at $480, and an 80GB PS3 coming out soon it will be interesting to see if Sony changes the price structure to something like $550 for 60GB and $600 for 80GB.

And it would mean this prediction would be incorrect.

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Quote: 1-1-2009 360 Core costs $150, HD-DVD add-on $80 and BR player $200 I stand by this. And what will drive the Core down is a Wii price drop to $200 this holiday as well as a new Wii model that plays DVDs for $250... The following year, retailers will drastically drop the price on the core and MS will discontinue it in favor of the Premium and Elite models. There's a couple more "predictions" for you to keep track of since you have nothing better to do...

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Quote: You still remember those? Yes.

That's funny, because in the other thread you were protesting you only made one prediction for 1-1-2008. You really have a strange memory.

@Lou

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Lou wrote: @KrasH Quote: The 20GB version of the PS3 should never have been released. It's good that it's no more. Actually, I found it the better deal and Sony lost more money on it. The "features" you get for the extra $100 weren't worth it. The main one was the hard drive but for less than $100 you could have put a 100GB 2.5" hard drive in there. I I was to buy a 360 today, I would buy the core and a memory card and wait for a price drop on the 120GB hard drive... Then buy a cheap multi-format HD player in a year or 2...though the 360's HD-DVD player is a good bargain today. That should drop in price for the holidays...

I think the Wi-Fi is worth the extra cost alone. Having only 4 rooms (none of them are the living/lounge room) with wired network access in the house, wifi is the way to go where I live. That, and being able to Remote Play with the PSP I have is pretty good.

Remote Play = being able to access the PS3 and it's content for viewing/listening. Even being able to use the PS3's superior browser for web browsing (Mozilla all the way) on the PSP.

Edit: One complaint about the ps3 wifi though. Unlike the PSP, the PS3 seems to only allow the setting up of one wifi setting at a time. So if I take the PS3 to a friends house, I have to setup the wifi again :(

In regards to the 360, if you haven't got one, you should give it a go. Though I prefer my PS3 over my Xbox 360, there are some things the Xbox 360 does well (at least in the US, since xbox live is pretty much gimped in Australia). Using the 360 as a media extender is pretty useful as well. Though, you need a legit version of windows XP etc to get it working...

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@Lou

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Lou wrote: @KrasH How does $400 sound? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2727021&sku=G153-GT4022&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEM1336C

But can that $400 setup play Oblivion as well as the 360 or PS3?

edit: funky quotes.

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Another user experience from a long thread of people experiencing problems with the XBox 360, judging from his Amiga avatar he is probably is or was an Amigan:

"Heres my story:

Let me start by saying how fed up I am & the absolute joker treatment I have received from MS 360 Hardware Support. So I'm n the mood to share the joke with GAF.

I have a dead 360 (launch), I reported it to the Support centre day 1 of issues & arranged for it to be sent off & to be fixed.

Now its FOUR MONTHS later I still have a broken 360 (now also with a just broken Wireless headset) after several more phonecalls to MS support, mistakes made by the call centre guys in sending the courier without sending the labels or a box, more calls and more complaints I'm nowhere.

Last week was my latest call where I logged a formal complaint & was told exactly what I wanted to here, that a courier would come with a box & labels to pick up my 360 and it would be fixed as a priority and sent back to me. Perfect, total happy, why couldn't this have happened the first time, oh wait one thing, It never happened!

I'm fed up!!! FOUR MONTHS!!! & Again its down to calling yet again tomorrow to no doubt be forgotten about AGAIN & now I can add the headset to the list.

A mentally disabled chimp knocked down in a hit & run after half a bottle of absynth could have done a better job, let me say it again FOUR MONTHS with a dead 360 sitting in my office.

PS: In case your wondering, I bought another 360 anyway while waiting which will be sold to my Bro for Forza2 (hes a car head) and Halo 3 (he has a pulse & likes video games)."

@jiyong

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You really have a strange memory.

No, people like you just love to put words in my mouth.

@KrasH

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But can that $400 setup play Oblivion as well as the 360 or PS3?

I'll take any AMD dual-core 64bit processor over the Cell and Xenos any day... 1GB of RAM don't hurt either...

You can add this:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2769459&CatId=1560

and still come out $10 ahead...

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@KrasH

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But can that $400 setup play Oblivion as well as the 360 or PS3?

Compare the following screenshots.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/pjbliverpool/Oblivion_PC.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/acason/OblivionPS3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/acason/Oblivion360.jpg

In playing Obilvion PC edition, one needs two Geforce 7900GTs to beat one Radeon 1900XTX (running screen res @ 1600x1200 and 1920x1200) .

It doesn't take much to beat XBOX 360...

XBOX 360
CPU front,
X360 has 3X PPEs @3.2 Ghz. They are "in-order" dual instruction issues per core with shared L2 cache running @1.6Ghz. They are basically PowerPC G1 style cores with 3.2Ghz clockspeed, SMT and VMX. CPU is sharing memory bandwidth with GPU. A PPE core @3.2Ghz's performance is similar to PowerPC 970 @1.6Ghz .

GpGPU front (AMD Xenos)
48 unified shader processors with 64 SMT, 22.4GB/s main VRAM (similar to AMD Radeon X1600's bandwidth) and "Smart" 10MB eDRAM.

PC-Vista Premium/AMD LIVE PC (targeting $499 USD)
CPU front,
AMD Athlon 64+ X2 3600+ has dual core @1.9Ghz with "out-of-order" three-instruction issues, each core has full speed 512KB L2 cache. Each instruction issue is fused with two instructions, hence it's peak instruction issue is effectively six (per core). CPU is allocated with it's own RAM (ranges from 8GB/s to 12.8GB/s bandwidth).

GpGPU front
With AMD Radeon X1900; 512 SMT for 48 pixel shaders/8 vertex shaders, >54.8GB/s (256bit wide) main VRAM. R580/RV570 is known to be AMD CTM/PeakStream API/PeakStream VM capable i.e. shader processors beyond Shader Model 3.0. Like Xenos, R580/RV570 is capable of HDR + AA at the same time. R580/RV570 cores is AMD's primary "stream processor" product i.e. There’s no point in comparing K8 against STI's CELL since AMD using R580/RV570 in stream computing markets.

Anyway in http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Releases+More+R600+Details/article6903.htm
AMD has revealed that the next R600 has 320 stream processors with a 512-bit memory interface with eight channels.

Anyone knowns NVIDIA's G70 is !@#$ at GpGPU. Even G80 has trouble with F@H.

A more potent combination would be CELL and RV570 based console i.e. double stream processor combo.

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@MikeB
Refer to http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=142870
"A bad batch of PlayStation 3 machines captured in the wild."

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@KrasH
I think the problem with that box is the nvidia 6100.
Other than that it should be well upto the task, as i have a 3500+ with a 7800gt myself and it runs just fine.

@Hammer
Is this greeny hue normal on the xbox 360? I have not noticed it in screenshots earlier, but this one looks really horrible. Though i think a better comparision would be with screenshots at fullsize.

@Tomas

The objective of the screen shots was the amount of SpeedTree and other objects being rendered from similar code base.

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@Lou

Xenos is the GPU btw… Xenon is the PPE part.

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@MikeB

You seem so hell bent on discrediting the competitors while fighting every single possible negative post against the PS3 that it isn't funny anymore. The mask of objectivity doesn't apply anymore, an objective person does not see the item of liking as golden and everything else as droppings straight out of a cows ass.

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@MikeB
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In Heavenly Sword, the Cell enables incredible numbers of enemies to be on screen at one time. The trick is that Cell treats entire regiments as a single unit of artificial intelligence when they are at a distance;

Refer to vertex instancing. Similar trick was designed for Rome:Total War (PC).
Anyway, it's a nice patch to G70’s issues….

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as they draw closer, Cell gradually divides the army into smaller and smaller groups, so they eventually become individual troops with unique fighting styles and tactics."

Nice use of limited resource.

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BTW IMO insomniac's new game Ratchet and Clank looks fantastic as well:

Not much in RT shadows and HDR/bloom effects….

The artwork is bright and cheerful btw.

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@Lou
Why ATI Radeon X1650 XT?

Refer to http://castle.pricewatch.com/s/search.asp?s=X1900
For ATI Radeon X1900GT.

Replace IGP equiped motherboard with IGP-less motherboard.

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