@Trezzer

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"Our 40 light bulb solution hardly requires any electricity compared to others' 160 light bulb solutions". I suppose that's one way to spin it. Well, except in this case it's more like 4-6 old-fashioned light bulbs or so.

What spin? The fact is my PC uses more electricity and I will get by far better results with my PS3, why would you want to discourage people like you have in using their PS3s for contributing something positive to the medical community?

@MikeB

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I also criticized Sony for some IMO lame PR "efforts" in the past. I find nothing wrong with positive PS3 news though. Trezzer on the other hand mainly posts any negative coverage he can find, yet received by far less criticism from you than I have.

Frankly, I think we ALL could do a better job at posting BALANCED news and reports. I hope we can improve on this.

MGS4 also for PC and 360
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@Trezzer

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bviously we can easily conclude that it's not the leap-ahead monster people thought it would be - that much is obvious from comparing simultaneously released games that have either been about the same or slightly worse on PS3. That is also what piqued my interest in the first place - the apparent severe misrepresentation of the PS3 as somehow much more powerful in real life.

I think it's far too early for you to come to any conclusions, comparing XBox 360 ports to the PS3 IMO is like comparing Atari ST game ports to the Amiga, many of such ports were equal in quality or were even slightly inferior. Later things changed when the Amiga became more dominant, still for a long time multi-platform developers did not push the Amiga's capabilities too hard to make sure a good Atari ST port could be realized. IMO the PS3 is better judged on first party exclusives, I think the same could be said with regard to later XBox 360 games.

BTW, IMO Warhawk look like a very fun fast paced 3rd perspective shooter combined with lots of cool vehicles, can't wait to try motion sensing with the Warhawks:

4-P split screen (demonstration)
Design interview
Road kill (HD video - Gameplay)
Kick the tires and light the fires.... (HD video - Gameplay)

Am I the only one who thinks this looks like more fun than Gears of War?

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@MikeB

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why would you want to discourage people like you have in using their PS3s for contributing something positive to the medical community?

Oh, I'm not. Merely pointing out that the comparison could well give people the wrong idea of how much they'd have to pay. Here it could easily result in a yearly bill of ¤500. If people decide they are willing to help by doing it anyway, then that's great.

@MikeB

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comparing XBox 360 ports to the PS3 is like comparing Atari ST game ports to the Amiga

Except the PS3 is the Atari as we all know by now.

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can't wait to try motion sensing with the Warhawks

I was actually just thinking about motion controls where you tilt your wrists instead of your fingers/arm. I wonder if we'll see an RSI explosion in a year or two?

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Am I the only one who thinks this looks like more fun than Gears of War?

Probably.

It looks decent enough though. A bit low-tech, but the multiplayer looks solid enough. It reminds me I need to get back to playing The Outfit. Now THAT is fun multiplayer.

The flying looks good tough. Reminds me of Yager.

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Anyways, this is how I play my PS3 ;P



What is there:

- PS3
- Panasonic PT-AE900E HD Cinema Projector
- Panasonic 5.1 Dolby Digital/DTS Tuner with 5 x 100 watts
- Sony 100 Watt 12" Sub Woofer

e-peen success.

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@Trezzer

In 2006 for Sweden, a kilowatt hour of electricity costs 4.98 Euro per 100 kilowatt hour (one of the lowest within Europe).

So kWh use = (200 watts x 24 hours) / 1000 = 4.8 kWh

4.8 kWh x 365 days = 1752 kWh

Low:
Sweden: 87,25 Euro

Highest:
Denmark: 414 Euro

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Across the EU25, electricity prices in euro varied by one to three for households and for industry

In absolute values, household electricity prices were highest in January 2006 in Denmark (23.62 euro per 100 kWh), followed by Italy (21.08), the Netherlands (20.87) and Germany (18.32). The lowest prices were observed in Greece (7.01), Lithuania (7.18), Estonia (7.31) and Latvia (8.29).

When adjusted for purchasing power, household electricity prices in Greece (8.01 PPS3 per 100 kWh) remained the cheapest, followed by the United Kingdom (9.05), Finland (9.38) and France (10.92), while the highest prices were recorded in Slovakia (24.48), Italy (20.23), Poland (20.05) and the Netherlands (19.15).

The share of taxation in household electricity prices varied greatly between Member States, ranging from around 5% in Malta, the United Kingdom and Portugal to more than 40% in Denmark (58%) and the Netherlands (42%).

Industrial electricity prices were highest in Italy (12.08 euro per 100 kWh), Cyprus (11.36) and Ireland (10.11), and lowest in the Baltic Member States, Latvia (4.09), Lithuania (4.98) and Estonia (5.11).

However, when adjusted for purchasing power, Hungary (12.13 PPS per 100 kWh) and Cyprus (11.92) recorded the highest industrial electricity prices, and Finland (4.90) and Sweden (4.98) the lowest.

Electricity prices per 100 kWh, incl. all taxes

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@MikeB

I guess we should ship all of those folding PS3s to Greece. That is... if they got rid of that gaming ban from a few years back :)

The numbers add up fairly well - I went for an average of 200W and our results differed less than 100DKK for Denmark (I based my numbers on an existing list of console prices + watt usage in Danish).

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@MikeB

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Good news with regard to PS3 sales, European sales are now roughly on par with total Japanese sales

What are you talking about good news? The mighty Sony has fallen, it's clear. Here's the proof from VGCharts

Others PS3: .87 M vs Others Wii: 1.81 M
Japanese PS3: .85 M vs Japanese Wii: 2.06M
US PS3: 1.81 M vs US Wii: 2.59M

What we see here is Nintendo has gained significant ground over Sony this generation. Sony's 70% lead of the PS2 is no where in sight Sony's marketshare has fallen. While the 360 isn't making big in roads in Japan it's doing better in US and other markets then the Xbox so Microsoft is too making ground on Sony.

When we have Nintendo + Microsoft both gaining this generation over last and Sony's significant lead falling to 2nd and perhaps 3rd place you claim good news for Sony? I think you're a bit loopy to declare success for a product that lost marketshare that's not success .

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With regard to electricity and Folding at home worries it has been calculated if you have your PS3 contributing 24/7 working on Folding @ Home's intense calculations, if you live in Vancouver this would add less than 8 dollars on your monthly bills

And in Hawaii that's closer to $25 per month.

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@BrianK

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What we see here is Nintendo has gained significant ground over Sony this generation. Sony's 70% lead of the PS2 is no where in sight Sony's marketshare has fallen. While the 360 isn't making big in roads in Japan it's doing better in US and other markets then the Xbox so Microsoft is too making ground on Sony.

I stated on many occasion the Nintendo Wii performs remarkably well, what I don't agree with is this reflects on bad PS3 performance with regard to the higher end gaming market (price point $400 or above). The lower end market is yet to be addressed by the PS3 later on during its lifecycle.

With regard to the lower end gaming market the PS2 still performs rather well (like A600 vs A4000, with the A600 being several times cheaper than the A4000 at some point), the NPD figures for March will be interesting to compare.

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When we have Nintendo + Microsoft both gaining this generation over last and Sony's significant lead falling to 2nd and perhaps 3rd place you claim good news for Sony? I think you're a bit loopy to declare success for a product that lost marketshare that's not success

It's a long term battle, however it's easy to declare the European PS3 launch a success with record breaking sales, outperforming even PSX and PS2 launches at a much lower entry price.

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@MikeB

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It's a long term battle, however it's easy to declare the European PS3 launch a success with record breaking sales, outperforming even PSX and PS2 launches at a much lower entry price.

Breaking the records of consoles with severely limited supply...

@Trezzer

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Breaking the records of consoles with severely limited supply...

(edit: misread your posting)

IMO supply has been very good, much better than for the Japanese and North American launches. Luckily the naysayers were wrong by claiming the European launch would likely be pushed further into the future. Any production issues there may have been initially now seem to have been well addressed, Kudos to Sony for that!

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@MikeB

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I don't agree

You don't agree with what? The fact that fewer machines were available for the other console launches?

If you just mean that the launch was good then sure: it did much better than most had expected even if it didn't sell out. Comparing the launch with launches that had limited hardware availability just tells us nothing at all.

@Trezzer

IMO it tells us:
1) Sony sold record amounts of PS3 units to retail.
2) According to many European retailers they received record pre-orders.
3) Sony is able to ship enough units to meet demand.

@MikeB

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2) According to many European retailers they received record pre-orders.

You are pick and choosing here. There have also been stores who have sold far less PS3s than either Xbox 360's or Wiis on their respective launches. This was my experience asking around on launch day in many stores. The lack of interest in the launch in many places such as Paris. You have covered the positives sides well, but seem to drop these things from your messages and even your quoting - it just seems deliberate because the positives always remain and it is the negatives that get skipped.

I think it is fine that you are reporting these things frequently, also nothing wrong with good news, but please if I may try and dig deeper into these issues, cover also the negative sides (and try to discuss them openly) and people will like your reporting much more. It is not to dwell on the negatives, but to be balanced.

I think you have a tendency of being overly positive when it comes to PS3 and you are not giving the same advantage to other consoles you compare it to.

You seem to follow Sony news a lot, it should be no problem for you to cover the entire spectrum of information if just wanted to.

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@MikeB

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The article was in Spanish and sadly only contained pictures of the display regarding one track only where water textures and some details gone missing, this weak comparison was covered all along the internet combined with claims the XBox 360 version is better, here at AmigaWorld the comparison was used to back up claims that 1080p gaming would not be such a good idea as there would be less details (but overall they added quite a few details in the PS3 version).

OK, thanks MikeB. At the very least I'll try out that Aviator Loop on both systems and see what it looks like!

@jtsiren

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I think it is fine that you are reporting these things frequently, also nothing wrong with good news, but please if I may try and dig deeper into these issues, cover also the negative sides (and try to discuss them openly) and people will like your reporting much more. It is not to dwell on the negatives, but to be balanced.

Actually I tried to bring this into balance with my statements. I can already count on people like Trezzer to report everything from a negative perspective, however when it comes to reporting positive news I mostly count on mysefl.

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I think you have a tendency of being overly positive when it comes to PS3 and you are not giving the same advantage to other consoles you compare it to.

You mean the XBox 360 right, because I don't think I stated much negative with regard to the Nintendo Wii other than I think the device too underpowered for the long run.

With regard to the information I provided regarding the XBox 360, this was also meant to balance out the overly rosy pictures painted by fans.

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You seem to follow Sony news a lot, it should be no problem for you to cover the entire spectrum of information if just wanted to.

Actually I did on various occasions, but usually combined with statements that didn't agree. And honestly when I say so, that's genuinely my opinion, I wouldn't change my statements just to be liked.

@MikeB

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1) Sony sold record amounts of PS3 units to retail.

Yes. This is a good thing.

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2) According to many European retailers they received record pre-orders.

This is also a good thing. Even if a huge amount of pre-orders were cancelled at the last minute.

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3) Sony is able to ship enough units to meet demand.

And that is a good thing for customers. Not as good for Sony - if their launch had been the explosion of pent up demand they were expecting and hoping for, the PS3 would have been sold out pretty much everywhere - as was the case with the first million Wiis and 360s sold in Europe.

@jtsiren

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The lack of interest in the launch in many places such as Paris.

There's spin everywhere and that is a good example.
The reporting of the rather disastrous launch event gave the impression the French launch as a whole would itself be a complete disaster. The reality was the complete opposite - it broke the record for a French console launch selling 78K units.

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