Continuing the discussion from here: https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=43330&forum=16&start=600&viewmode=flat&order=0#880967
and here: https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=45506&forum=2&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0#880966

@Hammer

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Hammer wrote: @cdimauro

Guess who's the crying baby...
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PCX 2.1 demo's MMU-less 386 emulator wreaks your short-signed argument.

Again, this is a further prove that bots don't know the context and randomly write on completely different discussions. In fact, the above is related to this thread: https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43330&forum=16&start=560&viewmode=flat&order=0

It also proves that bots have NO memory, since an answer was already given in that thread.

But likely, and much simpler, it's also because bots do NOT understand.

Unfortunately, bots have a lot of time on their hands (which humans do not have), and they also infest other places:

https://telegra.ph/Opinion-PPC-68080-and-other-660-comments-07-25-2
i'm still not convinced if you are human or some AI driven weird bot

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?s=637f13770c1a6df46269da40062f3141&p=1758051&postcount=722
I still wonder if hammer is just some locally trained LLM with some human editing.

It's a drama...

Anyway, you got the proper reply on the proper thread: https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=43330&forum=16&start=580&viewmode=flat&order=0#880647

Enjoy it, bot!

You continue to desperately search for something that might validate the colossal nonsense you have uttered, being a first-class ignorant, and you don't even realise that in the relevant thread you have already been answered on this very point, and what's more, in bold and underlined, but you are in such a bad way that you can't connect the dots with the lines even when the lines are already drawn out in front of your eyes.

You are a hopeless case...

I enjoy seeing you continue to fret, desperately trying to satisfy your wounded ego. Your anger is my joy...

@cdimauro

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cdimauro wrote: It also proves that bots have NO memory, since an answer was already given in that thread. But likely, and much simpler, it's also because bots do NOT understand. Unfortunately, bots have a lot of time on their hands (which humans do not have), and they also infest other places: i'm still not convinced if you are human or some AI driven weird bot It's a drama... You are a hopeless case... I enjoy seeing you continue to fret, desperately trying to satisfy your wounded ego. Your anger is my joy...

You're wrong about Hammer being a bot, his behavior is all too human - as is yours.

This reinforces my observation that people don't get wiser as they get older - they just get bolder. Whether it be politics or religion or science or engineering, the same pattern emerges. The older people get the more certain they become that their worldview is right, and the less willing they are to critically examine those views or consider contrary evidence. When combined with the arrogance an anonymous internet persona permits we get threads like this.

Some other forums have strict rules and strong moderation to prevent trollish behavior and ad hominem attacks. That's sometimes necessary, but I prefer letting people have the freedom to speak their mind (unless it gets too out of hand). We are all adults here and should be able to handle 'robust' argument. However we should avoid getting sucked into responding in kind (the expression 'don't feed the trolls' applies).

I respond with facts and logic when I think it's worth it - sometimes taking a 'devil's advocate' position to challenge the narrative - but I don't get personal or force the issue. Around half of my replies don't get posted because they wouldn't add anything positive to the conversation.

Not that I'm asking you to do the same though - your posts actually liven up the conversation. Just try not to overdo it. We don't want people being sanctioned for bad behavior, or others avoiding this forum because because it's become a cesspit of trolling and personal attacks.

@cdimauro

1. Windows NT's use case is NOT new since it existed with Xenix 386 and SCO Open Desktop. This use case is an important command and control (C2) data resource requirement. POSIX and C2 are important in the US's big corporate and government markets.

SCO (with 20 percent MS ownership)'s Xenix 386/SCO Open Desktop covered Windows NT's use case. Windows NT's main purpose is to remove AT&T Unix source code IP.


2. EMM386 doesn't work without 386's MMU.


3. https://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/pcxdemo21

This is a DEMO version of PCx. Please note the following limitations with this version:

Because there is no MMU support (80x86 MMU emulation) in the DEMO version, you will NOT
be able to run Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode (you must type WIN /S to start it).
You will not be able to use Windows 3.11 if it is labled 'Windows for Workgroups'.
Other programs that will not work without MMU support are: Windows 95, OS/2, QEMM, EMM386,
etc.


Windows 3.1 Standard Mode (286) works on PCx 2.1 demo.

386's standard PMMU prepared the PC install base for wider deployment of 32-bit memory-protected OS such as MS Windows NT 3.x, IBM OS/2 2.0, MS Windows 95, and the birthplace for Linux. This is in addition to existing SCO Xenix 386 and SCO Open Desktop C2 use cases. Any 386AT PC clone can run SCO Open Desktop and SCO Xenix 386.

Windows 3.1 Enhanced Mode already has PMMU virtual memory paging and EMM386 functions.

Most of the differences between Standard Mode and Enhanced Mode relate to the capabilities and services offered by their DPMI servers, DOSX.EXE, and WIN386.EXE. WIN386 is built on the virtual memory and paging capabilities of the 386 and is much more than a mere DOS Extender. It can offer a bigger memory space than what is physically present in the machine and provides a private address space to each VM. This means that in Enhanced Mode, KERNEL/USER/GDI, Windows/DOS applications, and 16-bit drivers cannot write outside their private memory space, nor in ring 0 where the VMM and the various VxDs are running.


386's standard PMMU allows for more than 400,000 beta testers for developmental Windows 95, an install base greater than the A1200, A3000, and A4000 install base combined.

386's standard PMMU allows for more than 200,000 beta testers for the developmental Windows NT 4.0.

Your 386's PMMU not being an important argument position is bullshit. Wintel created its future by establishing the correct ecosystem standard in the present time.

Like many others, my family didn't buy the fastest 20 MHz 286 PC clone in 1992 when I knew the 386 instruction set was the standard. I'm already aware of Windows NT 3.1 1991 beta releases, which are the Windows 3.0 counterpart. This mindset is repeated when my employer purchased K8 Opteron C0 (SedgeHammer) server and I personally purchased K8 Athlon C0 (ClawHammer) despite the fact that Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP are IA32. I made sure my PC is ready for the X86-64 switch e.g. Windows XP X64 with Crysis X64.

Windows 3.1 Enhancement Mode is a 32-bit virtual machine manager with paging virtual memory (PMMU) and 32-bit VxD support. It's more than 16-bit DOS with a GUI!

Windows 3.1 Enhancement Mode's 32-bit VxD is memory-protected i.e. they are not "unreal" 386 mode.

A superior road map is a real selection qualifier.

Mainstream desktop 68K vendors made no preparations. In 1996, the best 68K desktop vendor (Apple) had to purchase the mature NeXTSTEP OS for its future due to not being prepared for 32-bit preemptive multasking with paged memory protection and C2 resource control OS roadmap. Amiga Hombre was talking about Windows NT. LOL

Windows NT 3.5 does require a CPU with a Floating-Point Unit (FPU). Since 1993, Pentium has bundled an FPU as standard. X86 cloners followed Intel's P5 FPU bundle standard for the 5x86 and 686 era. This is not the case for 68060.

In the early 1990s, MIPS made an extra effort to value-add their embedded R30xx CPU with an embedded MMU for a very low price i.e. comparable to the 68EC030's price range.

It's a good thing Wintel doesn't follow your unprepared road map. You deserve to rot with shit road map vendors.

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