@AmigaBlitter

I don't think Apple will replace Intel in their main OSX/MacOS PCs and Laptops soon.

But a lot of Mac Users where asking for a MS-Surface like Laptop from Apple.

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Sooner or later Apple might ditch their whole PC (OSX/MacOS) branch if it fails making profit.

But a switch to ARM would kill their 'professional' desktop line immediately.

@kolla

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Through emulation, and not without penalty.

True.

The Snapdragon 835 is roughly akin to a Celeron. Each wins in a different category. And certainly one wouldn't pick an 835 to do Photoshop, that's what an i7 is for. ARM's game is efficency. If one's needs are 12-14 hours of mobility focused on word processing, email, and webbrowing, the 835 would be a fine choice. One could use the i7, too. But, the system is heavier due to the larger batttery and runs 6-8 hours instead of 14. It'll be better for photoshop, but not much improvement to email reading speedings.


I guess for the end-user what purpose the system is for would sway someone to the 835 over the i7. Or, the A10 vs the i7. Though the comparable pricing doesn't make sense to me.

@BrianK

I think we must compare cpus with same wattage, so the fight between snap 835/apple a10 vs intel i7 hasn't much sense.
If apple is considering a next future without intel (or amd) partnership maybe they have reached the knowledge to build a future arm based cpu, around 35/45 power wattage, comparable or faster than an i7

I think apple is today state of the art of about hardware and software developments, if they want they can do it.... once more!

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@g01df1sh

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How long before public get quantum CPU's.

Keep dreaming. Practical use of quantum computing is unrealistic for the near future and may be unrealistic in general. The engineering challenges are in some respects similar to those involving mag lev rail. For the foreseeable future quantum CPU's are like the fuzzy computing revolution of 30-40 years ago: a buzzword that wins research grants and makes headlines. I remember seeing a book in a bookstore about how fuzzy computing proved the superiority of Eastern ways of thinking over Western and would revolutionize not just computing but our entire worldview.

To be fair, it gets used in places. Yet today you could get a respectable computer science degree from virtually all universities without ever hearing the term "fuzzy computing."

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@kolla

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kolla wrote: @Nibunnoichi Through emulation, and not without penalty.

WoA is not really "emulation", also it's just for Win32 software, the OS itself and everything else (including UWP software) is Arm64 native; the original assertion was that Apple would have the first native ARM OS on desktops and laptops which isn't true at all.

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@Nibunnoichi

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the original assertion was that Apple would have the first native ARM OS on desktops and laptops which isn't true at all.

Indeed, ARM was primarily made for desktops, RiscOS was (is) a desktop OS :)

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@Nibunnoichi

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Quote: Through emulation, and not without penalty. WoA is not really "emulation", also it's just for Win32 software, the OS itself and everything else (including UWP software) is Arm64 native; the original assertion was that Apple would have the first native ARM OS on desktops and laptops which isn't true at all.

Once the 64bit ARM SDK comes out this could fix some of the issues of the lack of applications, since they're currently stuck in 32bit ARM. Rumors are Microsoft is coming out with the new 64bit ARM SDK next month.

For me - Win 10 ARM isn't quite ready. I'm hoping another year and the ARM 855 release will help this stuff come together.

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by simplex on 5-Apr-2018 22:16:57 @g01df1sh Quote: How long before public get quantum CPU's. Keep dreaming. Practical use of quantum computing is unrealistic for the near future and may be unrealistic in general. The engineering challenges are in some respects similar to those involving mag lev rail. For the foreseeable future quantum CPU's are like the fuzzy computing revolution of 30-40 years ago: a buzzword that wins research grants and makes headlines. I remember seeing a book in a bookstore about how fuzzy computing proved the superiority of Eastern ways of thinking over Western and would revolutionize not just…

Quantum computers are currently more of an academic interest than practical technology for most people; expect significant advancements to be years away, if not decades. The comparison with maglev rail indicates substantial engineering hurdles similar in nature and scale that must first be overcome before widespread application becomes feasible.