@Fransexy

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So after all the industry seems to go back to the eightees/nineties when every computer seller have their own cpu/GFX chip/motherboard design/OS.

Unlike the old Apple biz model, both AMD and Intel provide reference designs for others to build from.

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This GPU/CPU dual core sound to me like the custom chips

As AMD has stated in AMD-ATI press release, the GPU’s integration is akin to the integration X87 co-processor into the CPU package.

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@Jorge

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/24/amd_etc/

Good link with some good quotes in there.

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"Those who can do a processor can control their system destiny, and those who don't will end up totally at the mercy of other people, who can shut them out of business right away," Henry explained.

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The graphics workload is enormous. Even before you start running video games, or displaying DVD movies, you're asking the silicon to handle far more than it can comfortably manage; in many PCs in fact there is more power in the graphics card than in the main processor. And that power is focused - it runs relatively few instructions, very quickly. They are all graphics-oriented... polygon handlers.

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AMD feels that it has to move, now, before it becomes part of Intel, rather than part of a generic processor platform.

If what they say is correct we are going into "less standand" video cards available. Less, open, less choice. The choice could be Intel graphics or Amd graphics?

So much for open source

Last edited by Interesting on 25-Jul-2006 at 09:11 PM.

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@Hammer

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Code based for Cell+G71 would be bias towards in-order instruction stream and towards single precision 32bit floating point i.e. an unbalance scenario.

The first gen cell was designed with a specific application in mind (games) so it's strong in areas which games need (i.e. single precision FP processing).

PC processors are not designed specifically for games. A better comparison will probably be with the 2nd gen parts whenever they appear.

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Both Intel and AMD have stated Cell is a good idea but poorly executed i.e. it should have a strong multi-core task centric based processor (OOOE processors) and multi-core strong data centric processor (Array processors).

That's just marketing fluff, the decisions made in Cell (and Sun's Niagara) are the same decisions Intel and AMD will also have to make at some point.

Intel are looking at "mini cores", AMD are about to throw in GPU shaders and will also likely have to simplify their cores as well. just to keep it at 100W - current AMD cores use anything up to 60W, Woodcrest go to 40W but that'll likely rise. Intel are planning a 32 core chip, that means less than 3W per core.

Yes, Cell could have used an OOO core but it'd run slower and hotter. It may get one at some point if they can get one cool enough.

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Note that quad-core K8L has 8 "K8" FPUs i.e. each K8L core has 2X K8 FPU set (note the second copy of K8 FPU set in K8L photos).

Conroe already has this but doesn't seem to have done it much good, it should be 100% better for heavy FPU apps but I haven't seen anything like this as yet.

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@Interesting

Well, there is still NVidia (and most probably Intel is not interessted in it, they have their own designs), XI and SiS (beeing NV the only one competitive enough).

But if they come up with a nice CPU core - GPU core interface (e.g. like an open copro), everybody could probably buy both designs and put any combination in silicon. Some cpu designs are already available to be integrated in custom silicon, so why not that?

In a maybe distant future, instead of building a board, onenwould design the whole thing on a die instead (sooner or later that's where it will end).

The whole ATI/AMD decision is a milestone in electronic history which IMO marks a complete paradigm shift - and it is kind of surprisingly early (or unexpected, yet).

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@Jorge

Sun had talked about doing a computer on a chip. Perhaps AMD will be the first company to do this. Memory, video, CPU all on 1 chip so you'd need a card to connect to the chip and basically provide the connectors. Could be neat. Also, I'd think could be more power savings then the current designs. We'll see quad core 65nm designs from AMD next year. But, what if they also made a Dual Core cpu w/ 3rd core as graphics and 4th core acting as RAM. Interesting idea...

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by nine on 24-Jul-2006 11:52:38 @olegil Quote: Obviously you don't visit slashdot, nor do you watch enough Simpsons. You're supposed to say: I for one, welcome our new graphics chip overlords. I do try to avoid Slashdot if I possibly can! I think the reference was from Red Dwarf originally, not the Simpsons ;) [edit: It wasn't]

Apologies for misunderstanding. The original comment referenced a "Red Dwarf" episode which humorously depicts artificial intelligence taking over humanity in various exaggerated scenarios—a theme similar to modern discussions on AI and its potential impact on jobs, including graphic designers like yourself.

Regarding the Simpsons joke: It seems there was a mix-up; it wasn't actually from that show. The quote is indeed an amusing take on society often being slow to adapt to technological advancements—like accepting new AI in various professional fields, including graphic design.

As for your comment about avoiding Slashdot: While I don't have