Well, I attended the launch of Visual Studio 2005 in Birmingham yesterday, the good thing about it, is I got a pretty nice free lunch and a full copy of VS2005, SQL Server 2005, and MSDN, all at the expense of M$.

I wore my Amiga t-shirt, so hopefully it may light a spark with some who were there, and get some more peeps into OS4

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@treblesix
Lol, great on wearing the Amiga shirt, anyone ask about it?

No comment on VS2005 as I don't like, nor thankfully have had to deal with, .NET. I know a lot were annoyed they couldn't do VB console apps with past VS6 or so (crap, 2 vers back including VS2005), but I dislike VB too.

Visual C++ 6.0 still suits me just fine for the times I've got to write C++ for Windows (SO thankful it's rarely nowadays

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@wegster

I hate it too.
I use a text editor to program, dont like the way M$ shove everything down your throat.
The demonstrations were basically showing u how to write apps without having to write any code. Hmm, im a programmer, not a designer. Not interested in that.

They had a band there called 'The Windows' YAWN!!! OMG how crap were they.
Even the M$ nerds walked out.


I had a few looks @ the t-shirt, will keep wearing it to events like that.

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Some guy walked on the stage in a mask as well, and peeled it off, it was he drummer from the 'windows' band.

I was hoping it would have been Bill, i would have run on the stage and smacked the ####, and made him eat the words AMIGA on ny t-shirt.

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I use a text editor to program, dont like the way M$ shove everything down your throat.

Ahh, I actually don't hate the VS interface. Just the company, .NET, etc.

It took them a LONG time to get somewhere with. back in '92 or so I was using Symantec Visual C++ Cafe or something like that, and it was SOOO nice.

Visual C++ 2.0 or so was new then, and looked like Notepad with like 4 extra buttons

Now, however, the code completion, method drop down and expansion as you type, integrated debugging, class and method indexing, and the help system/MSDN integration is pretty nice, and (yeah, it hurts to say it, but props given where due) isn't a bad standard to aim for for other IDEs (umm, GoldEd/CubicIDE could take some lessons there IMO if it's to become a full-blown IDE at some point).

Eclipse is also pretty good as well, and what I normally use nowadays.

I used to write everything in VI(M), with a brief detour to the dark side (emacs), but eventually you give in..in my case, I finally stopped as eclipse IS available on every platform I need it to be, along with SVN integration and FTP/WebDAV support if I really need it now and then...

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The demonstrations were basically showing u how to write apps without having to write any code. Hmm, im a programmer, not a designer. Not interested in that.

Hrm..depends on the definition of the word. In the past, most stuff I saw in VS was geared towards UI design, rather than RAD of an entire app. If it's progressed past UI only, then it may certainly be worthwhile for Winodws only shops or for prototyping apps quickly.

The only programmers I know that aren't designers are maintenance devs for the most part, so I'm assuming you mean it's still UI only? (And in that case, yech, not for me either )

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@treblesix

Well I'll be downloading VS 2005 Express and SQL Server 2005 Express. I don't care for Microsoft but if they give away a cut down environment of what I consider one of best dev and database environments for free, that'l do me. I know of die hard Mac fans downloading it for any spare x86 machine they have lying around.

You are telling me you would rather use an external editor and hand code everything than use their environment? When all I had was the command line tools it took me an hour to code a simple app. With VS it took less than 10 minutes. So you rather code delegates and handler for a control when all you could have done is dragged the control on and double click on it? You would rather code a strongly typed DataSet yourself than a few clicks on a wizard?

Even without the code generation VS is everything I want in an editor.

BTW, I like C++ but prefer C Sharp as it is C++ without the ####e!

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@Intuitioned

I'll have to try Eclipse, it's been mentioned twice now. I admit most of it (VS) only benefits GUI development. It is still hard work coding a sorting algorithm or recursive decent algorithm as it ever was.

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@Intuitioned

I prefer to hand-code everything. It's the way it was when I was in college. I have my own set of rotuines which i use.

green screens, 5 and a quarter inch discs, COBOL, DBXL, Assembler.
Now those were the days!

I just don't like the way, that u haveto program the M$ way, or no way.

I still write ADO code rather than use those bloody data adapters. Have u tried changing servers with those adapters. Nightmare.

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the good thing about it, is I got a pretty nice free lunch and a full copy of VS2005, SQL Server 2005,.

Is that good thing ? Yuck If you want to develop for the mainstream platforms you should use Eclipse, NetBeans or Anjuta

Our .Net teacher was quite shocked when i told him that I was developing and running all .Net C# exercises on Linux using opensource Portable.Net tools from the DotGNU -project He seemed to love Windows and Visual Studio .Net

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@Intuitioned

Eclipse is wery good. Here is short list of some good and free environments.
Eclipse and Anjuta can handle many languages. NetBeans is just Java IDE, and wery good it is too.

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@treblesix

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green screens, 5 and a quarter inch discs, COBOL, DBXL, Assembler. Now those were the days!

Only 5.25" disks? I remember 8" er's! That was in 1995! Yes, 1995! This company was using them on this machine for their test sets. I can't remember what it is but it was blue, 8085 or 8086 based, and had two 8" drives on top of the monochrome 80x25 screen.

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I went to an Association of Computing Machinery meeting on the campus where I am studying computer science. I was thinking a lot of the editing features of Visual Studio were like what I wanted to implement on a new version of AmigaVision. I may still do it yet but not before BitByBit Software's GUI builder is in full release.

BTW, what I left the meeting with was better than a copy of Visual Studio. It was a book called Garage Virtual Reality and it mentioned Amiga quite prominantly (its copyright date was 1994).

@miksuh
Eclipse at least also has a Python language plugin, which was surprisingly difficult to find in any IDE that was cross-platform.

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by TrebleSix on 9-Nov-2005 19:52:59 @wegster I hate it too. I use a text editor to program, dont like the way M$ shove everything down your throat. The demonstrations were basically showing u how to write apps without having to write any code. Hmm, im a programmer, not a designer. Not interested in that. They had a band there called 'The Windows' YAWN!!! OMG how crap were they. Even the M$ nerds walked out. I had a few looks @ the t-shirt, will keep wearing it to events like that.

@wegster: Dislikes Microsoft's forced approach and finds their demonstrations uninteresting for developers; criticizes 'The Windows' band. Wears a T-shirt with possibly related sarcasm, despite not attending events like that often.


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