Continued from another thread, where it was OT.

@Samwel

That's quite weird, because here's UK's copyright law:

UK Copyright Law

8. Acts that are allowed:

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Recording of broadcasts for the purposes of listening to or viewing at a more convenient time, this is known as time shifting.
Producing a back up copy for personal use of a computer program.


Edit: Hm, I'm reading many conflicting things on this, on Wikipedia it says that the UK did not use to allow this but now does. Anyway, I'll start a new thread for this. <- Oops, I have already, next time I'll watch what I'm pasting...

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@Zardoz

It would be interesting to compare copyright laws and consumer laws in different countries.

You got UK and it is similar here in Sweden, you are entitled to make a copy for personal/private use.

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@tomazkid

It seems it is illegal in England until they pass the new law in March. Anyway
according to the link I posted (source: Finacial Times).

Does the law in Sweden actually allow personal copies, or does everyone just
think it does?

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@Zardoz

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Recording of broadcasts for the purposes of listening to or viewing at a more convenient time, this is known as time shifting. Producing a back up copy for personal use of a computer program.

But those sentences doesn't allow you to make personal copies/backups of
your music or film discs?!?
Computer program and "art" isn't the same thing. Radio broadcastings has
always been treated differently.

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@Samwel

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Does the law in Sweden actually allow personal copies, or does everyone just think it does?

Apparently recent changes have made it illegal to bypass DRM security, and copies of DRM protected material would not be allowed. Sharing between friends and familiy for non DRM protected material seem to still be allowed.

I have not read up on this too much yet though, but intend to so later this week.

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@Step

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Apparently recent changes have made it illegal to bypass DRM security, and copies of DRM protected material would not be allowed.

Interesting.
So, how long is the warranty for a CD/DVD and what does it cover?

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@Zardoz

Here in the states the RIAA is trying to redefine the legality of CD backups.

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/12/30/1835210.shtml?tid=187
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/12/30/059223.shtml?tid=141

While these links are referring to ripping CD's to MP3's the impact of any rulling here in the states could have a bigimpact. I.E. If your not allowed back-up a music CD into MP3's you also won't be allowed to reconvert a DVD to fit on a single layer burnable DVD.

I would advise you that in order to be safe do not tell people you made backups of any CD or DVD you own. Given the state of the legal systems around the world you may find yourself in trouble.

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@Samwel

Yes, you're right, it was late at night, I wasn't reading properly.

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@Beamish2040

To be honest, I have my doubts that anyone cares, no matter what the legal situation is, what you do for your personal use. It's sharing stuff on the net that the RIAA gets fussy about and all this stuff they're trying to do is a rather ineffective way of restricting the flow of movies and songs onto the internet.

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I would advise you that in order to be safe do not tell people you made backups of any CD or DVD you own. Given the state of the legal systems around the world you may find yourself in trouble.

They can have fun trying to prove damages if an individual copied something he owns for his own use at home.

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@Zardoz

Everything is legal until you're caught.

@tomazkid

Sweden will most likely get amended laws regarding Copyright in July this year, the last changes from 2005 do have the DRM stuff in it, but it is a bit vague in my opinion.

Not all CDs have DRM protection though, and as said a bit up, what people do is something else entirely.

Swedish copyright law changes, in english:
2005 Changes

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@Step

Am I reading this wrong or are you allowed to make a personal copy of any movie
or music work? As long as you earn nothing, the copy isn't loaned out or in any
other way distributed.

I missed the part about DRM, were can I find it?

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@BrianK

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Everything is legal until you're caught.

Not really.. But you can say that you're not a criminal until caught (and sentenced) maybe.

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@BrianK


Quite right.

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@tomazkid

Warranty should be lifetime if you can prove that the disc has been handled with
(normal) care, i.e. scratches, cracks and other similar things do not hold.

When CDs arrived I remember them saying it had +10 years life then some organic
stuff in the disc would break.. But People have now owned some discs for well over
15 years and they still work fine. So I guess this was just a urban legend.

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@Samwel

I mostly thought about Music CD's with DRM and such.

Remember that Kent CD back in 2006 (or was it 2005?).
They had to withdraw thousands of cd:s already shipped and sold from the stores, because the DRM made it non-playable in some older cd-players.
Also I remember Philips demanded that such cd:s were not to be called cd:s.


Regarding this:
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As long as you earn nothing, the copy isn't loaned out or in any other way distributed.

If I lend a book to a friend it is perfectly legal, so lending out a CD with an application should be legal too, as long as I delete/uninstall the application before handing out the CD.


This is interesting too, dated a few years back.

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@tomazkid

I meant lending the copy out. I should have been more detailed.. Me bad!

EDIT: I did write the copy. It was you who read wrong!

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@tomazkid

I remember seeing on some DVDs copyright texts that the disc may only used for
private use. No lending out, copying, public viewing (other than the close family).
So doesn't the text on the actual disc matter? Is it always each country's law that
is the dominator?

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by tomazkid on 9-Jan-2008 11:55:40 @Step Quote: Apparently recent changes have made it illegal to bypass DRM security, and copies of DRM protected material would not be allowed. Interesting. So, how long is the warranty for a CD/DVD and what does it cover?

The standard warranty period for new CDs or DVDs typically lasts about one year from the date of manufacture. It generally covers defects in materials and workmanship under normal use conditions, but not unauthorized copying or modification.