@xispo

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A little advice about Amiga, Inc. and AmigaAnywhere: FORGET THAT X.X.X.X!

Why? It is part of the Amiga history.

I´am very surprised that the name of our parent company can invoke such senseless emotions.

Edited out quote of removed material. --Moxee

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@thread

What's with all the AA supporters coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden?

Is it a full moon?

@Pleng
Who is "all the AA supporters"?

I think everybody here is fully aware that AA(2) is going nowhere but that is not keeping us from talking about what it is or could have been in a civilized manner.

I wouldn't mind if AA2 evolved and became successful (and available to OS4) but with Amiga Inc running the show I'm sure it will never go anywhere. As I said before I am happy that it is Hyperion running the show as far as AmigaOS4 is concerned.

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If Amiga inc had the sourcecode of OS4 and a substantial amount of money and developers (the latter they were AFAIK was promised by investors) they could have taken OS4 to another level.

Well, if you had really hired some good people to develop something at least as good as MacOSX, you would know this cannot be done with the aged Exec stuff as a base. So yes, it seems to me he was out of reality too...

Now, having used OSX, knowing about how much time and resources it took Apple to come here (and this is by using an already established kernel as a base !), I also doubt it's being real to say you can do something better...

But we can wait another 10 year and see what Hyperion comes with... Maybe that's their ambitious project... Doing something better than OSX with current OS as a base would be really ambitious indeed (or another word comes to my mind...) ;)

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@Leo
I certainly agree that it was a stupid comment from Bill.
And of course making AmigaOS5 better than OSX would be a huge task amiga inc would not be up to (not even with unlimited funds).

What I meant was that they could produce something that from an Amiga users perspective would be better. Perhaps by dumping AOS and going the Anubis route?

Anyway this thread was about the outstanding AA2

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Ye not much I can do about that

I should point my (previous) post to "@thread" instead of you.

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Troels wrote: I am also happy that it is Hyperion running the show now.

I'm not happy with either Hyperion or Amiga inc.

However, Hyperion's release of OS4 for the peg2 and their continued support of OS4 with the release of 'fixes' has changed my mind about them somewhat.


Regards OS5.. 'better' is a relative word.

Now if someone were to design AmigaOS5 around a tiny RTOS that could run on multicore x86, ARM, PPC, processor with a VP (virtual processor) where you could have a universal binary that could run transparently on any of those systems, along with a POSIX compliant box that runs on top of that... (you know, where you can just build/compile the apps from linux and they run, you don't have to port them to some unknown API)

That's the OS I want! Over M$7, OSX,OS4, etc...

(If anyone else is interested in a similar style of OS, let's start our own thread and talk about it!)

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@Darth_X

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Darth_X wrote: Quote: Troels wrote: I am also happy that it is Hyperion running the show now. I'm not happy with either Hyperion or Amiga inc. However, Hyperion's release of OS4 for the peg2 and their continued support of OS4 with the release of 'fixes' has changed my mind about them somewhat. Regards OS5.. 'better' is a relative word. Now if someone were to design AmigaOS5 around a tiny RTOS that could run on multicore x86, ARM, PPC, processor with a VP (virtual processor) where you could have a universal binary that could run transparently on any of those systems, along with a POSIX compliant box that runs on top of that... (you know, where you can just build/compile the apps from linux and they run, you don't have to port them to some unknown API) That's the OS I want! Over M$7, OSX,OS4, etc... (If anyone else is interested in a similar style of OS, let's start our own thread and talk about it!)

You mean something like what was originally planned using QNX, but was scrapped and the work the QNX guys did was thrown away?

I don't know much about it, but I think that was a great chance for AmigaOS to move forward and work on many different platforms. I think the QNX team has (or had) a lot of talent and could have contributed much to moving the Amiga forward. Too bad that collaboration did not work out.

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@amigadave

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You mean something like what was originally planned using QNX, but was scrapped and the work the QNX guys did was thrown away?

QNX has a complex licensing and was bought out by Harman Int. One of the downfalls with QNX 6.0, drivers. Especially accelerated gfx drivers.

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@Troels

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Troels wrote: @Leo I certainly agree that it was a stupid comment from Bill. And of course making AmigaOS5 better than OSX would be a huge task amiga inc would not be up to (not even with unlimited funds).

Was it really a stupid comment?
How many in the computer world had office to Amiga OS5 and if he had not done just that statement?
I believe that it is much more than just thinking behind Bill McEwen.
I think it is about advertising professionals skilled work.

We must ignore amiga community which has a special relationship on these issues. The statement is about to reach large groups that previously had not a clue or Amiga OS5. It has to say the least successful.
A search for "Amiga OS" before and after the statement gives clear messages.

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@damocles

Back at the time of Amiga - QNX relationship, there was no Harman involved. It was bad assed Fleecy's jealous and selfish decision to not make a deal. I remember even Bill was upset by his move.

As for missing drivers - now how many drivers do you have for your modern x86 HW? Wait - there is no Amiga OS available for anything other than crappy hw ... how cool ....

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damocles wrote: QNX has a complex licensing and was bought out by Harman Int. One of the downfalls with QNX 6.0, drivers. Especially accelerated gfx drivers.

QNX Licensing

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@Troels

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Troels wrote: @Pleng "AmigaOS 5 will be released in Q4 of 2008 and will be better than OSX" That statement is not necessarily made because he lost touch with reality. AFAIK OS5 was to be built from OS4.x and while it can be discussed whether it would be better than OSX it might from an amigans perspective (not technically). If Amiga inc had the sourcecode of OS4 and a substantial amount of money and developers (the latter they were AFAIK was promised by investors) they could have taken OS4 to another level. Personally I don't think Amiga could do it but it might not be 100% unrealistic. Guess we will never know and I am also happy that is is Hyperion running the show now.

Amiga, Inc. obviously did not have OS4 sources at the time they announced this as the lawsuit was well underway. Yet they said the OS was ahead of schedule and involved an international team they had assembled. So it seems hard to fathom that they could have needed the OS4 sources for much IMHO. And the quote BTW is "much better" than OSX from Apple.

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@Pleng

For the ignorant among us, such as myself, as their board is down, what is Pandora?

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@linnar

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We must ignore amiga community which has a special relationship on these issues. The statement is about to reach large groups that previously had not a clue or Amiga OS5. It has to say the least successful. A search for "Amiga OS" before and after the statement gives clear messages.

Here is the reaction of people OUTSIDE the Amiga community:

CE-Oh no he didn't! Part XLV: Amiga head says new AmigaOS 5 "better than OS X"

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Sure, we know you and your Video Toaster have been gutted over this whole AmigaOS 4 debacle... what's that? You've never heard of OS 4? You didn't know Amiga was still around? You hadn't heard that Bill McEwan, CEO of Amiga says the company's next OS is going to be "better than OS X?" Well time to perk up those ears, kiddo. In a truly enthralling read, the head of the defunct hardware-maker / software company says that Amiga is hard at work on a number of projects, not the least of which is the follow up to company's OS 4 -- which has been mired in development disputes with a company called Hyperion Entertainment since 2001 -- AmigaOS 5. A piece of software guaranteed to surprise and thrill the technology community at large, mostly (we suspect) due to the fact that no one even knew the company was still in business. Sure, some of the detractors say they haven't released a product in seven years, but what's seven years when you've got that pile of platinum that is OS 5? Exactly.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/06/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xlv-amiga-head-says-new-amigaos-5-bet/

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@billt

This should help answer your question.

http://openpandora.org/index.php

@linnar

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I think it is about advertising professionals skilled work.

Like this?

@linnar

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linnar wrote: @Troels Quote: Troels wrote: @Leo I certainly agree that it was a stupid comment from Bill. And of course making AmigaOS5 better than OSX would be a huge task amiga inc would not be up to (not even with unlimited funds). Was it really a stupid comment? How many in the computer world had office to Amiga OS5 and if he had not done just that statement? I believe that it is much more than just thinking behind Bill McEwen. I think it is about advertising professionals skilled work.

While I think it's nice you have fun with AA2, you have to stay realistic here. Yes, it was a stupid comment. You claim it was necessary to create marketing buzz. While he did get his quote on several media, he was made the laughing-stock for many people. Ask yourself this; was this good PR for Amiga or not? What if OS5 will never appear or, heaven forbid, it does appear and totally fails to deliver his claim. Now that would be really bad, "Snowman Maker" bad IMHO.

I agree that you need to advertise "professionals skilled work". Question is whether OS5 is "professionals skilled work". I don't know because I haven't seen anything from it and chances are that I will never see anything from OS5.

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Here is the reaction of people OUTSIDE the Amiga community: CE-Oh no he didn't! Part XLV: Amiga head says new AmigaOS 5 "better than OS X"

Another in the series that likes to ridicule.
Yet, says to me that because of Bill McEwen's statement as he knows that the Amiga is still alive. he shows it in a way that makes that even more than the size of the Amiga community now knows a little more and it serves all of those interested in Amiga. It may also lead to one and the other will be more interested and finally moving to Amiga.
A series of events, good or bad, are always on
spin off effects.

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