So what is wrong with 68k? in amiga world?
it is still not as fast as comfortable as cheap pc from windows 95 era.
Still nothing native, with MMU, FPU, 2D and 3D
Pentium 100 performance for resonable price.
still after almost 30 years amiga 68k not reach level of pc from windows 95 era.
what 68k amiga followers should do try to reach 1995 standards instead of trolling.

@ppcamiga1

There is nothing wrong with m68k in amiga world, my friend. We enjoy it just like you enjoy your PPC machine. We do not force you to switch to m68k or to anything else.

Live happy and let others live their happy lives too.

And please, change your medicine as it seems that your "bad time" is coming back again ;)

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instead of trolling

Says ppcamiga1 who starts new threads over and over again, always with the same contents :)

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So what is wrong with 68k? in amiga world? it is still not as fast as comfortable as cheap pc from windows 95 era.

No, I disagree. With a PiStorm32 accelerator it pretty much matches the functionality of a Windows 95 era PC. You can even play Command and Conquer Tiberian Dawn and Red Alert and getting on the Internet is possible via WiFi! Happy days!

Please keep up with 68k advances. I know the PPC shrine needs a lot of upkeep and animal sacrifices etc but we have Discord, Facebook and these forums to keep up on the news!

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@ppcamiga1

What exactly are "1995" standards in your view?

Please name some examples

There's nothing wrong with 68K. It's a good instruction set, fun to program and mess around with. The fastest SKUs are getting difficult to obtain but if you want fast execution of 68K code, emulation is very mature and available in varying forms from the completely virtual (UAE, etc) to hardware replacement solutions like PiStorm/Emu68.

There's plenty going on for those who are interested.

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I think 68K Classic, is a bit stuck, however a top end 68060 could easily do Windows95 level computing, case in point, a A4000 running Windows 95
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GageVNNY9B8&ab_channel=computerhobby

Or top end Amiga running MacOs 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzYRGiauTXQ&ab_channel=Andy

But now we have the 68K Plus market, with Apollo 68080 or Pistorm or emulation that push the platform even more and have seen that game like Heretic II are now possible and more thanks to virtually pushing the platform far beyond it could. You can get PPC level performance now on these platforms, if not even more.

So nothing wrong with 68K.

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ppcamiga1 wrote: So what is wrong with 68k? in amiga world?

1. Faster 68k are not produced any more.
2. Amiga world is centered about a hardware that is not produced any more.

@OneTimer1

It’s crazy to run an OS on top of life-support / emulation, if AmigaOS should ever be considered a proper OS.

Virtualization, hypervisors has place in AmigaOS, perhaps it can provide missing security layer.

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@michalsc

szulc stop trolling start working on mui for aros

@Karlos

for pc I have windows (TM) since year 2000

still nothing real 68k with Pentium 100 speed
nothing with real 68k with speed and comfort of cheap pc from win 95
I really miss good graphics of Amiga 500
Amiga 500 was nice it has fast graphics
it was good computer up to 1992 when production stopped
Commodore failed to upgrade a500 and nothing changes since 1992
I want nothing special just 640x480 16 bit with basic 3D
it is stiil not avaible at resonable price in 68k world

@ppcamiga1

Only wrong thing is that its no longer developed.

Gladly, 68080 and several other developments, be it FPGA CPU cores, or good JIT emulators, try to mend it.

Trying to prove m68k is wrong and PPC is right is simply wrong.

Switch to PPC was a gamble that looked promising when IBM, Apple, Microsoft and Sony
were onboard, but later when they all abandoned it, only IBM and Freescale remained.

And Freescale is shadow of former Motorola nowadays.
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OneTimer1 wrote: Quote: ppcamiga1 wrote: So what is wrong with 68k? in amiga world? 1. Faster 68k are not produced any more. 2. Amiga world is centered about a hardware that is not produced any more.

How is that 'wrong'?

1. Faster 68k is being created in FPGA and PiStorm etc.

2. Despite not being produced anymore, plenty of original Motorola 68k CPUs are still available for those of us who want 'real' hardware.

After 1996 (when production stopped) the Amiga became a 'retro' computer. All of the things purportedly 'wrong' with it have now become became 'right', because they maintain the authentic retro experience. In the retro computing world, being 'centered about a hardware that is not produced any more' is what it's all about. Far from being wrong, 68k is totally right for the Amiga. Other CPUs are the imposters.

The real question we should be asking is:- What is wrong with PPC?

1. It's not 68k. The asm code is totally different, and horrible.

2. The code is bloated.

3. It's too fast, encouraging more bloat.

4. PPC 'Amigas' are expensive and hard to get.

5. Because it's not 68k, a modified OS had to be created to run it. This split the market and made life difficult for developers and users.

6. PPC 'Amiga' owners look down their noses at 68k Amiga owners.

7. PPC 'Amiga' owners then get upset when 68k Amigas get more love.

8. Because PPC 'Amigas' continued to be produced, Amiga OS was deemed to still have commercial value. This led to an IP war that has hurt the scene badly.

As you can see from this (not exhaustive) list, PPC is much more wrong than 68k for the Amiga, while 68k is everything right.

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szulc stop trolling start working on mui for aros

I'm not trolling my darling, look better in the mirror.

Besides... AROS? What AROS. As my best hater you should already know that I have left AROS four or five years ago. I have nothing to do with AROS. Why should I do MUI for it?

Not to mention that MUI is closed source...

So, cheers my lovely hater. Continue hating me :)

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And Freescale is shadow of former Motorola nowadays

Understatement, as Freescale hasn't existed for what... 7-8 years?

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Maybe he meant shadow as in the atomic kind.

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@bhabbott

I have two PPC machines (one A1200, one A1), but neither of them are in a working state at the moment. I enjoyed them both when they were working. PPC isn't as bad as people think, even if it is a bit mental in places, particularly at thr assembler programming level. System friendly 68K applications generally ran and ran well, including stuff that needed the custom chips on the A1200.

My biggest gripe with it is that it's a dead end and difficult to replace. Unlike 68K, however, where there are innumerable executables for which the source is lost, PPC software seems stuck on PPC for all the wrong reasons. The sources exist, they tend to be written in portable languages like C, but are stuck because of an admixture of stupid legal bollocks, an obdurate desire to be "different" in some way than readily available CPU architectures and ever more fringe notions about what an Amiga was, is or should be.

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@michalsc

that is sad to hear but it explains a lot

@ppcamiga1

you get that with PiStorm and Apollo

Or what do you mean with "reasonable price" here?

at least the last PPC options buyable are more expensive

@OneTimer1

for what software you need a multicore system with several Gigahertz?

On 68k all software available works, both on emulation and on accellerated hardware

The newest demanding games will never be ported anyway