We should be united !!!
Or valid way to x86 or arm or Amiga NG 2.0

Amiga os on x86 or arm or Amiga NG 2.0 should be open source cpu independent
amiga gui and graphics implementation on top of unix.

everything in Amiga os below gui and graphics
is too outdated and should be cut off and drop

memory protection, security, drivers all this made
aros x86, aros runtime, emu68 worth nothing shit

Amiga NG 2.0 should be open source so everyone who want may changed it
Amiga NG 2.0 should be cpu independent so everyone may use on whatever want
68k , ppc, arm ,x86 etc etc

how to do it?

zune and graphics from aros and nlist
should be ported to unix and for example to sdl
after that new layout classes should be made
after that good gui builder shoud be made for it
then new windows system with amiga screen and windows functionality should be made
then gtk and some useful app should be ported to it

who should work on this?

all this that want to switch / move away from ppc

szulc, szonwejs, karlos, hammer, agami etc etc
instead of trolling should hard work on new Amiga NG 2.0

just leave ppc as it is and work on something new open source and cpu independent

@ppcamiga1


Why don’t YOU work on what YOU want and let others work on whatever THEY want? With your attitude, noone wants to unite with anything involving you.

A real question - macOS has literally _everything_ you whine about, including open source foundation. Why don’t you just invest in Apple instead?

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Just for the uninformed a quick note: this is -not- a joke.

Pay attention to the names mentioned and consider all you may have read on AW about co-operative efforts of these individuals in the past.

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@ppcamiga1

You are doing your own thing for us not to be united.

To be united - realize that the Amiga consists of both PowerPC and 68k.

Especially stop clear lies about 68k-

I am doing something to be united, not you. I am doing software which runs on OS4, 68k, WarpOS - via WarpOS Emulation even on MorphOS. I am doing something for us to be united. You not.

And what you suggest you could do too. You could develop software to forward PPC. There is a lot of things which remain to be done.

@NutsAboutAmiga

I've started a thread at major retro website AtariAge, since I think your link might get lost here.

Can We Save COMMODORE?

I included a direct link to Jeri Ellsworth and others, to hopefully indicate this is no joke.

note: they already have h/w via MyRetroComputer who have also volunteered services as CFO and COO.

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@ppcamiga1

My thinking of what AmigaNG 2.0 kinda is, it’s the merging 68K+ platform I kinda laid out a while back, the high end FPGA, Vampire, Pistorm, A600GS, A1200NG, A500mini, and Emulation all are pushing the Classic Amiga platform graphics and the 68k performance far above anything the original 680XX platform could do.

This is starting to create a new, but i feel messy AmigaNG 2.0 market.

I do think in a way not have a single OS for the 68k+ market is a big issue, we got
Amikit XE, ApolloOs, Amibench, AmigaOs3.2 etc

I mean I kinda feel Amikit XE should become the platform, it already supports most of the 68K+ platforms, has high end very well integrated and supported desktop version of AmigaOs3. But with hacks and mods that make it a bit more aware it’s on an emulated / faster platform.

I really like the rabbit hole feature as well, I know it daft and I know many dislike it, and I said this before, but I think I’m more of a realist than most maybe, but the current Amiga community just doesn’t has the resources to port many of the big applications I need for day to day Modern computing and struggle to keep up with the fast pace of internet browser/software world. Discord, Spotify, YouTube, Google Docs, Wordpress editor, etc Yes with hacks you might get some of these to work, but I like how I can just loads these up in my Amiga desktop and it feels nearly like it native software thanks to rabbit hole. Yes there can be some issue but I feel less than what the hacks can be sometimes.

Then the community / devs we have left should really focus on making cool original Amiga like apps or update the classics like PPaint, Octmedia etc that A-Eon / Amiga kit are doing.

That just my two cents, I don’t know if we can ever really 100% reunite, this thread kinda prove it, but I think there is opportunity to work together more on projects like the above.

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@ppcamiga1

I certainly wish we could be united, but as each year passes, and with every comment you mostly copy and paste, I see it less and less likely.

Your wish list of requirements is for all intents and purposes unachievable within a practical timeline without a major, and I do mean MAJOR, injection of funds. Which would ostensibly be a donation as your product makes no commercial sense.

But within your nostalgia-based wish list are kernels of key aspects for success.
Instead of making the OS "run everywhere", which is a monumental task, why not skip the OS and just make the applications run everywhere?
Standardising on something like Karlos' M64k ISA for a runtime engine, sitting atop an updated JIT compiler, new "Amiga 2.0" apps could run anywhere.
Yes I know it sounds like Java or AmigaDE, but this is a lot more achievable than your fever dream.

The key to unification is standardisation. That's what's missing from our developer/user community.
Something developed on/for MorphOS, needs added work to make it run on AmigaOS 4, even if both are running on PPC. Heck, something developed on/for AmigaOS 4 on X5000 needs added work to make it run on AmigaOS 4 on A1222.

If A-EON swiched to AROS, it would be a major step toward standardisation in our little corner of the computing world. There'd still be MorphOS, but a less divided Amiga landscape with Hyperion out of the equation, could collaborate on building out interoperability.

Some may remember Carl Sassenrath's original ambitious goals for a his programming language he originally named "Lava" which would eventually culminate in a MagmaOS, before renaming the project to REBOL.
Once you have Amiga 2.0 apps available to more and more people, whether they are running them on Windows, macOS, or Linux, then one could start looking at creating an OS for a much larger developer/user base.

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why not skip the OS and just make the applications run everywhere?

They already do!

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10 to 15 years ago, working under one banner would have made sense but everyone did their own thing. Now it is way to late and the disparity between all the flavors is just too big to make anyone want to work together and the developers and stakeholders are different today and now add the endless lawsuits and people getting sued over silly stuff and all the developers that left never to return, yeah that ship has sailed and sunk long ago.

Unless someone stepped out of the game and gave support to something already, that is the only outcome that we will see.

Most of Amiga and Amiga like has been farting around with the OS and tweaks here and there, leaving all the applications to do things broken or just circa 2000 for functionality if your lucky. This is the material issue and will take many solid years of development to make a suite of something good or you can just rabbit hole into unix and run that stuff, but what is the point to me I would just run Unix and not bother and maybe skin unix to look like Amiga and call it a day...

Many of the things you have asked for over the years already exist in a platform that is constantly updated and is active, even with new PPC hardware already running on it so you can buy new hardware at some point or you can buy into it for $200 all in and be faster than anything else and you will be able to do novel things like email and web browsing in 2025...

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The key to unification is standardisation.

I 100% agree standardization is the key to Amiga unification and the only possibility is with standard, compatible and competitive 68k Amiga hardware. Any CPU architecture change leaves users and software behind. Even MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 retained 68k compatibility through emulation as their base and that was not good enough to "upgrade" the 68k user base. Abandoning the Amiga chipset leaves most of the large retro Amiga game library behind which was suicide for PPC hardware failures. Abandoning the AmigaOS is the biggest Amiga suicide of all resulting in AmigaNOwhere which was a bigger failure than AmigaNOne.

It is possible to create low end 68k hardware with much better value than PPC hardware. Performance near PPC performance should be possible for a fraction of the production cost/price. A much larger 68k Amiga user base with a higher performance spec would likely result in the end of PPC MorphOS and PPC AmigaOS 4 while much of the new software would eventually be ported back to the 68k Amiga. The Amiga unification problem was caused by dividing and dispersing from a central point of unification and standardization (68k+chipset+AmigaOS). The unification solution is to do the opposite which is returning home to a central point understood as the standard.

@matthey

I see 68k stuff, including the GS as fun for nostalgia purposes to go run stuff I remember from the 80's that I played. All good and has it place.

MorphOS became the modern NG system. It is a real OS with an entire suite of modern productivity software (and more on the way), that fills an entirely different niche. MorphOS is the Amiga that evolved to become a usable daily driver. From a 5 minute hassle free install you have a full solution ready to go. Now with all the action developing with Mirari on it, it isn't going anywhere and I would bet out of the 6000 or so licenses sold, many are still actively used by people who don't post on forums as it is used as a tool. Looking at some of the more recent videos posted in YT, it is getting more publicity with new users as it does work well with good performing and cheap hardware.

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@ppcamiga1

Assuming HAL is designed properly, you don't need to fully open-source the OS to support new hardware e.g. frozen Windows NT 3.51 build running on the latest PC hardware via an open-source universal ATA driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIbeV1BYyOo
Demonstration for UniATA drivers with Windows NT 3.51 on 13th gen Intel Raptor Lake platform.

NDA-ed system APIs are in the dinosaur era.

AmigaOS4 PPC's hardware lock-in that requires a "license port" on another similar hardware is in the dinosaur era e.g. Digital Research vendor locked GEM x86 to IBM branded PC and demanded license port from other X86 PC clone vendors, which angered Compaq, which resulted in Compaq's full support for Windows 2.x R&D.

Anyone who thinks like Gary A. Kildall's licensing model is an idiot.

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@ppcamiga1

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ppcamiga1 wrote: We should be united !!! Or valid way to x86 or arm or Amiga NG 2.0 Amiga os on x86 or arm or Amiga NG 2.0 should be open source cpu independent amiga gui and graphics implementation on top of unix. everything in Amiga os below gui and graphics is too outdated and should be cut off and drop memory protection, security, drivers all this made aros x86, aros runtime, emu68 worth nothing shit Amiga NG 2.0 should be open source so everyone who want may changed it Amiga NG 2.0 should be cpu independent so everyone may use on whatever want 68k , ppc, arm ,x86 etc etc how to do it? zune and graphics from aros and nlist should be ported to unix and for example to sdl after that new layout classes should be made after that good gui builder shoud be made for it then new windows system with amiga screen and windows functionality should be made then gtk and some useful app should be ported to it who should work on this? all this that want to switch / move away from ppc szulc, szonwejs, karlos, hammer, agami etc etc instead of trolling should hard work on new Amiga NG 2.0

ROFL There's not even Amiga NG 1.0, and you want the 2.0?

Actually only AROS offers at least a 64-bit "flavour", but of course it's incompatible with the original OS and you can't run 32-bit applications as "first citizens".
However, it's at least "coherent" and functional (e.g. applications used WITHOUT assuming 32-bit for pointers, and stupid things like that, can be compiled and work).

It also implements SMP, but it's unstable because it's impossible to introduce SMP on Amiga OS without breaking the foundation of platform.

So, AROS is the only post-Amiga OS which MIGHT be called "NG" thanks to its 64-bit version.

Unfortunately, all other problems of the Amiga OS are still there, and can't be solved (unless you want to break the compatibility).

In short, and no matter which solutions (software; hardware: it doesn't matter!) can be proposed, there's no way that the Amiga OS or its re-implementations can be called "NG": it's simply IMPOSSIBLE.

A new OS is needed, inspired by the original one, but completely incompatible.
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just leave ppc as it is

This is the only point where I fully agree: dead corps should be left in peace!
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and work on something new open source and cpu independent

Then why don't you start working on it? Go ahead!

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MagicSN wrote: @ppcamiga1 You are doing your own thing for us not to be united. To be united - realize that the Amiga consists of both PowerPC and 68k.

Impossible: Amiga is, by definition (Commodore's official documentation), only 68k + custom chipset + Amiga OS + ROM (where part of the OS stays).

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agami wrote: @ppcamiga1 I certainly wish we could be united, but as each year passes, and with every comment you mostly copy and paste, I see it less and less likely. Your wish list of requirements is for all intents and purposes unachievable within a practical timeline without a major, and I do mean MAJOR, injection of funds. Which would ostensibly be a donation as your product makes no commercial sense. But within your nostalgia-based wish list are kernels of key aspects for success. Instead of making the OS "run everywhere", which is a monumental task, why not skip the OS and just make the applications run everywhere? Standardising on something like Karlos' M64k ISA for a runtime engine, sitting atop an updated JIT compiler, new "Amiga 2.0" apps could run anywhere. Yes I know it sounds like Java or AmigaDE, but this is a lot more achievable than your fever dream.

Who'll work on that?
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The key to unification is standardisation. That's what's missing from our developer/user community. Something developed on/for MorphOS, needs added work to make it run on AmigaOS 4, even if both are running on PPC. Heck, something developed on/for AmigaOS 4 on X5000 needs added work to make it run on AmigaOS 4 on A1222. If A-EON swiched to AROS, it would be a major step toward standardisation in our little corner of the computing world. There'd still be MorphOS, but a less divided Amiga landscape with Hyperion out of the equation, could collaborate on building out interoperability.

Standardization is useless if the goal is to continue extending a platform which can NEVER be "NG", due to the intrinsic problems of the original bad design.
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Some may remember Carl Sassenrath's original ambitious goals for a his programming language he originally named "Lava" which would eventually culminate in a MagmaOS, before renaming the project to REBOL.

Sassenrath is the major responsible for the current Amiga OS situation / bad design.

I don't recall REBOL (I've very quickly took a look at it many years ago), but its nano-niche could be speak a lot about it...
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Once you have Amiga 2.0 apps available to more and more people, whether they are running them on Windows, macOS, or Linux, then one could start looking at creating an OS for a much larger developer/user base.

Just use a "virtualizer" for this, as I've already explained since very long time.

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Matt3k wrote: @matthey I see 68k stuff, including the GS as fun for nostalgia purposes to go run stuff I remember from the 80's that I played. All good and has it place. MorphOS became the modern NG system. It is a real OS with an entire suite of modern productivity software (and more on the way), that fills an entirely different niche. MorphOS is the Amiga that evolved to become a usable daily driver. From a 5 minute hassle free install you have a full solution ready to go. Now with all the action developing with Mirari on it, it isn't going anywhere and I would bet out of the 6000 or so licenses sold, many are still actively used by people who don't post on forums as it is used as a tool. Looking at some of the more recent videos posted in YT, it is getting more publicity with new users as it does work well with good performing and cheap hardware.

"NG" is NOT about the available applications: MorphOS is NOT "NG" for the reasons that I've already explained on my first comment here (more, on the Amiga "NG" article which I've written time ago).