@WOSPUPOS4

Thanks all for your feed back. I think I will stick with these figures:

1.> Amiga community around 5000-8000 world wide.
2.> OS4/AmigeOne around 1000-1500 world wide.

Sounds pretty realistic.

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@sananaman

On my website http://www.hd-zone.com which is 95% amiga only related, I've had 11600 unique IP's in about a year. Dunno how many of those are "repeat" people because of DHCP...but anyway, gives me sort of an indication. I average just shy of 50 visitors per day over the past year.

I'm sure amigaworld.net, amiga.org, etc will have much higher numbers than that for the unique IP's reaching their sites....

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@WOSPUPOS4

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WOSPUPOS4 wrote: 1. An estemate would be around 5-8000. at most 2. No one knows. (By licenses you mean sold AmigaONE with OS4 ? ) But i have read alot of diffrent guessings. Around 1500. "housands? hundred of thousands?" - You must be joking ?

So what are you really? , to name such numbers would valid most developers to keep supporting the Amiga, it is over 7 years since a commercial game or app sold 1000+ copies, that is if we exclude the releases of OS3.5/3.9 and amithlon that is.

A normal marketing tip is that barely 10% of an community buys the product, now if your estimates was correct that would mean that there actually is a market for dooing a classic Amiga Game/app and release it on all Amiga's and clones , ie 1000 copies.

(yes i know you said "at most")

Your guessing may be correct but i doubt it , unless everyone out there in Amiga land is flat broke or not interested in most things made for the Amiga.

If you release a classic Amiga game theese days you would be lucky if it shipped 100-200 copies and for such to happen it would have to be either remarkably good or dual support (ie 68k,OS4,MOS,AROS etc).

OS4 users have proved that theyre interested in supporting projects and or buying stuff that pops up but sadly OS4 community is still too small for a game to be released as most of the users on os4 is developers and couldnt care less about a game right now and then we have the rest of the gang who wants a game and not a app... ie there really aint a market yet and if we say its 1500 A1 owners out there then that would approx be 150 units shipped of the product you produced and if you calculate abit on that (lets say the game was retail'd at 40 euro)..... (now , a HIT game liscence normally shifts around from 10k to 200k..)

I belive that half of the Amiga crowd left in 2001/2002(Amiga did do a comeback in 99-2000 and alot of new users came and old ones returned), various reasons was to that (like XP / Amithlon etc), in 2003 and 2004 Amiga made a bump in the charts again (morphos / OS4) but no where close to how many that left 2-3 years before).

(and if i remeber correctly there was a bare 15k in 99)

ps:i am still amazed over bumping into people at work or whatever who use an Amiga still (in my line of work i meet alot of east european's ie russia,lithuania,latvia,estonia and poland), most say they prefer to use the Amiga but is forced to use an PC for various reasons but they ultimately call themselves Amiga Users (but not active in terms of Forums etc)

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@HammerD

perhaps it's due to the 5% of non amiga related stuff

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Tomas wrote: There was not many os4 licenses sold, which i think was mainly due to shortage of hardware when OS4 pre release arrived. OS4 did not arrive for the amigaone owners before they had basicly stopped producing them.

I can relate on that one but:

OS4 developer pre release was released 10 months before the last µa1c went out the door..or so. But yes alot of people where sitting on the fence waiting for the superior ArticiaP board from eyetech.

I never let my 1200 with os3.x (and os4.x) stay unattended until around pre release 3 times, until that time i felt that A1200 was the best ... a few months later my 1200 was more or less never powered on anymore except for a few betatesting things and os4 oriented stuff. ( i used my 1200 everyday from 1993 till 2004 and now its gathering dust more or less).

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OS4 users have proved that theyre interested in supporting projects and or buying stuff that pops up but sadly OS4 community is still too small for a game to be released as most of the users on os4 is developers and couldnt care less about a game right now and then we have the rest of the gang who wants a game and not a app... ie there really aint a market yet and if we say its 1500 A1 owners out there then that would approx be 150 units shipped of the product you produced and if you calculate abit on that (lets say the game was retail'd at 40 euro)..... (now , a HIT game liscence normally shifts around from 10k to 200k..)

Stefan Burström mentioned the figure 5000 copies sold per year to be able to work fulltime with IBrowse.

In our interview

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Stefan Burström mentioned the figure 5000 copies sold per year to be able to work fulltime with IBrowse.

And that sadly wont happen anytime soon.

@tomazkid

i know and that is why he aint working full time on it.

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@sananaman

Well, we can't know about the classic and emulation users. But, after there is new AmigaOS4 hardware for sale, we can see how many more people buy, and then get an estimate of total OS4 users. Divide the number of AmigaOnes sold in half, because each owner will probably have 2 at that point. I sure will . :D

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FuZion wrote: @sananaman I would think the Amiga community is about 800 miles squared. Give or take a couple of yards. FuZion.

given the head count of the community, that's worse urban sprawl than durham, nc

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@logicalheart

I'm an old Amigan. I don't post, i routinely check the sites (for years now) to see when the final release of OS4 comes out and what it can run. Yet, when I saw this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4041270341638854546&q=amiga+os4&hl=en

I thought this was VERY exciting!!! Hyperion surely kept their end of the bargain. Now if only Amiga could convince EA to do a modern Dpaint... ah.... that would be the clincher for me. I'd HAVE to buy one (even at a grand)! Yeah... I know... I'll still probably get one, that is, when it's -->DONE

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sananaman wrote: @WOSPUPOS4 Thanks all for your feed back. I think I will stick with these figures: 1.> Amiga community around 5000-8000 world wide. 2.> OS4/AmigeOne around 1000-1500 world wide. Sounds pretty realistic.

Hi sananaman,

3. 5,000+ Amiga Forever, etc. (emulation)
4. 25,000 to 50,000 non-internetted users (really, I believe that. Full spectrum, from serious to casual, play a game once a weekers.)



Hi HammerD,

I didn't click on your link, and I don't think I ever have, so, +1. (I could be wrong though.)



Hi debrun,

DPaint!

With 4 billion colours? All those resolutions?? Draggable screens??? Ease of use???? 256 bit GPU????? Altivec??????
AAAHHHHRRRRRRRGGHHH!!!!!!!





Hi all,

I am confident that AOS could quickly mushroom, on cheap PPC (w/Altivec) HW.

I am confident that people want quick boot ups, games that can autoboot without huge tricky/nuisance installs, don't want 2 to 6+ "install wizards", reboots on install, want non-cumpulsory HD layouts, don't want forced file swapping usage, bloated OSs, shut down procedures, logins, and DLL hide and seeks (and loads of more crap).


Like we have nothing on our side.

The stangest Amiga user I know is university professor for history who still uses his A500 (with2.3 MB and two floppies!) to type his manuscripts with beckertextII.
He then transports his texts by floppy (CrossDos) to his state of the art WinXP box and does the layout using word. Strange, but very nice man.

I think the biggest problem of an estimate is the question when one is an amiga user. I guess those ~3000 ppc users (AOS4 +MOS) are no doubt amiga users, then there is a similar amount for 68k and Amithlon users, but those WinUAE users,.. well that is gardient transition. Most of them I guess use AOS only for the minor part of their workload. And I guess not many of them ualify as Amiga users interms of potential customers of new software products (exept Amiga forever..).

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I don't see how *most* WinUAE users are much different from *most* OS4, 68k or Amithlon users - these days it is almost impossible to get by without some kind of access to Windows. It's just that the OS4 & 68k users have to buy an extra machine, where-as Amithlon & WinUAE users can use the same machine.

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@ChrisH

Thanks for that little "gem" as usual.

@thread

I would say the Amiga community consists of about 12.5 people and a Fat Horse!

Rude!

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Size of the "Amiga Community" = 15 letters including one space...

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I know the diffference myself having a WinUAe setup and a Pegasos. The dedicated maschine leads to a very different usage behaviour. At least that is my personal experience.
And I know only very few ppl using UAE only who are willing (and did so recently) to spend money for AOS software.

Thus I put classic, AOS4, MOS, native AROS and Amithlon users into the same basket, but not UAE or hosted AROS users.

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sananaman wrote: 1.> How many ppl are there in the Amiga community world wide? 2.> How many OS4 licenses are sold world wide? Are we talking about thousands? hundred of thousands? Anyone any idea?

Hi sananaman,

I would say that at least 1,500 new Amiga OS4.x capable motherboards could be sold in 6 months or less. ~100 would be to new, never before, users of AOS. Many will go to current AmigaOne owners. My goal is to buy 2 more.

Another 2,000 in the following 6 months.

Year 2, another 5,000+.

There are just 6 members in the Amiga community, but they each have a lot of online nicks.

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