@vision

Yes, but the solution is on my previous post.

The other platforms have hardware DVD playback with low level gfx cards because they paid the right, to the Gfx card manufacturer, to use the hardware DVD decoder on the GPU gfx.

Amiga don't have the money, simply. Hope now this documentation could be found because maybe released freely since (because Radeon card now verry old) ?

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@vision

Let it go.
What do you possibly hope to gain by antagonising people (and mods at that)? And for what gain ? Im definately no fan of the state of current AmigaOS hardware, but we all know they leave a bit to be desired in some regards. Your current method of voicing your discontent is doing nothing but embarassing yourself. Although having said that it's clear that youve moved on from discontent to antagonising.

@vision

Sadly I can't afford a SAM, not new, not used, for two reasons: lack of money and, more important, lack of space so I sadly don't have the experience of a SAM not being 'able' to playback DVD.

However, whatever PC / Computer you buy is an expensive machine to playback DVD. A 20 euro stand-alone DVD-player is then a better solution in my opinion.

Acube offers the eyemotion as an addition to the SAM range and from what I read is that it can assist DVD playback. I don't know the price of this device but I can imagine that it would have added considerable cost to the SAM even for those who don't need the SAM to playback DVD.

Let's just wait and see what the X1000 can do.

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@thread

Hardware or Software issue ? Hmm - I think its both.

On the hardware side Sams or any future Amigas that do not have a DSP or a dedicated chip to accelerate DVD/HD/encoding will have to do it manually via CPU, unlike small gadgets that have a media encoder chip etc.

On the Software side, Sam or any future Amiga will never get GPU accelerated DVD/HD/encode/decode WITHOUT DRM.

Other platforms have some sort of Digital Rights Management, which then makes it easier for card manufacturers to legally give out DVD/HD/encode/decode acceleration documentation.

So I guess we have to make use of CPU, or hack GPU manually or some DSP/FPGA custom HD media chip on a card.

It makes me think we need our own custom chips again.

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@asymetrix

Radeon 9250 and more (M9) have parts or complete of what you explained (for DVD only).

PC with radeon M9 decode DVD with the GPU with some special PC DVD players.

this is AFAIR. I haven't checked before this post


I think on the PCI-E GFX cards used on SAM660, the gfx cards by themselve have also what you have explained (but again amiga must pay to have the documentation for using the features). If 10 years ago, need to pay, logically the same now.

For sure, better than me should answer for this point

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asymetrix wrote: @thread It makes me think we need our own custom chips again.

I would not mind at all having our own graphics/video card. Or sound card.
And No, I do not watch DVDs on computers. I will put one in now and again
to load down the system for testing.

On my Sam440ep I can play a DVD in DVplayer, and also play an AVI file with
mplayer at the same time off the HD. Yes, there is some more frame skipping,
but not much, and the sound is good and in-sync. Not bad at all for an embedded
system board with a lower spec CPU.

I bought the Sam knowing full well what it was at the time. I have no gripes
about it's performance, and with the updates provided by Acube and Hyperion
it has proven to be a worthwhile system.

Due to the fact that those companies have kept improving their products I
will be investing in their future. They have not forgotten me.

Custom video card?
Hm, I'll have to get on Trevors case about that.

@Mechanic

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I would not mind at all having our own graphics/video card. Or sound card.

I can almost see its price tag and performance.

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Saying MS, or even Apple is expensive in a ppc amiga "debate" is more than a little odd.

I know. It was kind of intentional.
What I meant was loosely that you need to upgrade that PC much more ofthen than you Amiga, especially if it's a laptop. You also need to by and subscribe to antivirus and firewall software and stuff like that.

Sure you can pirate it. But you can also pirate OS4 and hack it onto an almost free MacMini if you really REALLY wish to...

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vision wrote: @Mrodfr Anyway: no mean to offend, but even all these happened in record time, it would not change the fact that "new """"amigas"""", in 2011, yet cannot cope with dvd playback is a VERY PATHETIC FACT

Most people watch DVDs on a DVD player attached to a 40" LCD TV these days, not on their computer screen so I fail to see why ALL computing solutions MUST excel in playback of DVD videos in particular? Apparently a Nintendo Wii doesn't handle DVD video playback in fact it can't even handle playback of a simple AudioCD, yet it's an extremely popular product being produced today, just not intended for certain things.

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@COBRA

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Most people watch DVDs on a DVD player attached to a 40" LCD TV these days, not on their computer screen so I fail to see why ALL computing solutions MUST excel in playback of DVD videos in particular? Apparently a Nintendo Wii doesn't handle DVD video playback in fact it can't even handle playback of a simple AudioCD, yet it's an extremely popular product being produced today, just not intended for certain things.

Classic amigan explanation when Amiga can't do something "It sucks anyway".

With a nice 27" LED Display it is nice to have during the work-day a small video window showing a movie as I work besides it on a spreadsheet or other app. Rather than clutter my hdd with tons of movies that take tons of space, I still like DVDs for the purpose of using them when I need to and only keep a select few movies on file for quick viewing.

I am on a Mac so can plop in a DVD, watch it, open and browser the web or work on a doc or whatever. Yes, I have DVD player on big screen but still like this on my computers too. Just me I guess.

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@Rose

if we can travel back in time you see there members her that argue for low end none expensive hardware, and thats almost what they got.

I have always argued for higher specifications for Amiga computers, but then people think they be too expensive,

I dont think it scale in a linear graph, simplie because you have the same costs for design, testing, and manufacturing (and time), in other words overhead costs are the same, but yes component costs are higher.

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Ok i worded myself badly. Ment when Amiga can't play DVD's properly without frame skipping "Watching DVD's on computer sucks anyway".

Thought would agree with your point if SAM actually would be cheap.

@Rose

the point is that noting becomes sheep when its custom made, so way even try to make it sheep.

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@MacSociety

Nothing wrong with someone having the need to watch DVDs or whatever on their computer, in that case you can get a computer which well equipped to do the things you need (in your case a Sam440flex @ 800MHz or a Sam460 would be perfect). My point was that it is not a necessity for every computer system (or other electronic device such as a gaming console) to excel in every area, you just get one that suits your needs. If I were you I would go for a Sam460, I will probably do the same. Or wait for the X1000.

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@fishy_fis

are you sure I am doing nothing but "embarrasing myself"? yeah sure. I am proud to feel the opposite: I am making some people "portrait" themselves, so others can see what kind of persons they are, and what to expect from them (except the coward that reported me, who don´t have the balls to say it because he knows how wrong is he doing) and I am not afraid to confront a moderator. At all.

I will not even reply to the bunch of lies and incorrect arguments that are exposed here. It's not worth it. I think it is simpler than all that noise and excuses: I should have the right to say that I think this: if a Sam cannot play a DVD (and contrary to the defenders and excusers, the fact that they sell a separate device to allow it means that it isn´t capable at all) IS A PATHETIC COMPUTER. I tried to say it politely before, but now that they are doing this, I must say it clear.

And If there is even just 1 person here who instead of being a blind fanatic, care to listen and know how to respect other's thinking, but doesn´t agree with my oppinion, he can ask me and I would kindly and politely elaborate and explain my reasons to say that. Because it was never my intention to be a troll or insult, just say what I honestly think, and in a politely and funny way.

And I don´t care if some fanatics want to kill me because of that: I have done for the Amiga a lot more that most of them, and I still feel I am doing the right thing (expresing my free and reasonable opinion). I really want to test the freedom of speech here, and if there isn´t any, then I won´t stay anymore, like the thousands that you lost through all this time and will keep loosing till become a "pure" amigan forum with a proud amount of 4 (l)users.

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@Mechanic

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would not mind at all having our own graphics/video card.

I read somewhere while reading up on Atari Coldfire project that Matrox will provide a very good documentation on their gfx cards(as opposed to ATI and nVidia). It's not the fastest solution, but it's something. And they still sell PCI and AGP cards which would mean that the owners of older hardware could also benefit from this(they also sell PCIe).

A fully custom gfx chip wouldn't be very cheap and probably not fast enough for modern computing.

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And there you go yet again.
No-one is saying you have to like SAM (heck, had you read my posts in this very thread you'd see Im not content with them either), but its all down to the way a person expresses that discontent. I stand by my notion that youre embarassing yourself, not becuae of your opinion, but the way youre going about things. I managed to voice my discontent in this thread without people taking any real issues, as have others. Surely the fact that Im one of those people that finds SAM,A1's,etc. underwheliming and I still take issues with your posts says something ?

@vision

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I have done for the Amiga a lot more that most of them

Such as ranting in forums and labeling the hard work of other people as "pathetic"? Thanks for doing so much for the Amiga