@ppcamiga1

how do you define good here? How do you use your PPC? What do you do with it? The main advantage of PPC to 68k is native 3D graphics support. You only need that for gaming.

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@michalsc

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michalsc wrote: @ppcamiga1 Quote: emu68 is still not as good as android You cannot compare CPU emulator (emu68) with operating system (Android). This is comparing apples with oranges: "AmigaOS is better than VW Golf because Monday".

I think you'll find it's because peppered mackerel. Which has a higher chance of happening on a Monday but it's otherwise coincidental.

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@Karlos

Eventually we will find out that ppcamiga1 is but a poet, mixing words in novel ways, purposely meant to extract emotions out of the reader, like any piece of art form is meant to do!

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@pixie

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pixie wrote: ... purposely meant to extract emotions out of the reader, like any piece of art form is meant to do!

Slight correction. What a piece of art is "meant to do" is capture the emotions of the artist. It is a welcome bonus if it elicits an emotional reaction from a person perceiving the art.

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@agami

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capture the emotions of the artist

That we'll never know, will we?

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@BigD

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68k is experiencing massive software development activity

Wow, the Motorola 68000 chip has made a comeback and is about to displace the x86 and the x64 in new machines! Except that it isn't, nobody has made a new Motorola 68000 chip since it was discontinued back in June 1996, around fourteen years before I bought my Sam 440, which while it is nowhere near the leading edge of technology it is not as obsolete as my Amiga 1200.
You claim that the68K is thriving, yet the only thing that makes it viable as a fast games platform is emulation using PPC or ARM chips, while I am typing this response on my bog standard obsolete Sam440.
You crow over the fact that PPC has dwindled to being a shadow, used in a few niche applications, but at last it is still being used for more than a basis for emulation, and when I want to play old games I can still do so on a 68000 Amiga rather than on something pretending to be an Amiga.
Back when Amiga games were on sale in the shops (but being copied and distributed for free), they were quickly overtaken by Intel machines. While my copy of Bard's Tale beat anything the PC version could offer, the speed and graphics capabilities of the Amiga were quickly surpassed, with Wolfenstein 3D and Doom relegating the Amiga to a niche entertainment system. Playing Civilisation and COlonisation on the Amiga 1200 was slow, and graphically inferior to playing the same games on the 386 IBM PC.
Finally, those Motorola based games can also be emulated on the PPC Amigas, just as they can be run on my Windoze latop using UAE, and the robotics programming I do on my Sam help contribute to my income, how much do you errn playing Lemmings?

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@Tpod
While you started the debate, BigD certainly picked it up and ran with it. I pushed back against BigD because I don't like bullies and he was using his religious beliefs to tell people what they could and couldn't do. He is also disparaging people because of which platform they choose to use to play the games of yesteryear, rather than celebrate the fact that there are so many options. I do not use AROS or MorphOS but I would not be so bold as to tell those who do that they are doing something wrong, which is how BigD approaches the subject.

You say your objection was on a societal perspective, would you say that society has collapsed to to the legislation? I ask because I remember when homsexuality was legalised back in 1967 and people saying it would cause all kinds of disasters.

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szulc stop trolling start working on mui on aros

@OlafS25

herr szonwejs stop this
accept that native 68k still has not good enough graphics
start working on improve this instead of trolling

@ppcamiga1

My Darling, I told you already I do not work on AROS anymore and I do not care what YOU want me to do.

@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: Back when Amiga games were on sale in the shops (but being copied and distributed for free), they were quickly overtaken by Intel machines. While my copy of Bard's Tale beat anything the PC version could offer, the speed and graphics capabilities of the Amiga were quickly surpassed, with Wolfenstein 3D and Doom relegating the Amiga to a niche entertainment system. Playing Civilisation and COlonisation on the Amiga 1200 was slow, and graphically inferior to playing the same games on the 386 IBM PC.

Wait, a much more expensive machine could perform the same task better than the cheaper machine?
How on Earth was such a thing possible?

No body is claiming the physical "chip" is making an industry disruptive comeback. Grow the f#@& up and learn to debate like a regular person.

You found a way to use your SAM440 to make some money. Good for you. And I'm sure a vast number of other computers at half the price and 2x the performance of the SAM440 could've been used for the same cottage opportunity. Only then you couldn't swing around your small member on this forum as an acolyte of the PowerPC Amiga master race.

In the same paragraph you will point out how a 2x more expensive 386 PC outperformed an A1200 in 1993/94, but you avoid to crow about how a 5th of the price Raspberry Pi can run circles around a SAM440 or any other AmigaOS 4 compatible hardware, for entertainment or commercial pursuits.

Hypocrites tend to be the greater, more vocal, and projecting bullies.

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I think it's obvious to any reasonable person that the most authentic and best bang for buck Amiga experience is an original commodore era machine (if you have one) with a PiStorm upgrade. Second to that perhaps the Vampire.

However, the NG camp(s) are in a different place. The don't necessarily want the original experience, they want the continuation that PPC brought with it, particularly the evolution of the OS, back when the PPC was relevant. The best bang for buck there is old PPC Mac hardware. As the thread title point out, it's almost 30 years and you can count new hardware releases in the last ten years on the fingers of one hand.

The tragic irony in all of this is that there's another, much more affordable and widely available RISC platform and most - it not all - of the actively maintained software that currently exists is written in languages that make the effort required to port to it minimal.

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@michalsc

;(((((

@michalsc

szulc stop trolling and start working on mui on aros

@agami

agami has not Amiga One hardware
everything what agami wrote is anti ppc propaganda bs

I have rpi and my rpi is little only faster than my sam 460
and slower than my other PowerPC Amiga

@Karlos

it's obvious to any reasonable person that pistorm
is worth nothing shit that change amiga into mouse and keyboard interface for rpi.
It is stupid because amiga mouse and keyboard was 40 years ago copied from pc
and is nothing special.
resonable person just use rpi with prefered mouse and keyboard and not connect amiga to it.

best amiga experience for Amiga 500 software is amiga 500 with 1084s and gotek

Amiga NG offers best Amiga 1200 experience
It is wonderfull Amiga that Commodore shoulf made is not bankrupt
Has everything that Amiga should made in late 90
fast 2D, 3D MMU FPU

Vampire is still not good enough in 3D graphics

@ppcamiga1

My Darling, why should I work on MUI? Why should I work on AROS?
And, especially, why should I do in my own private spare time do what **you** tell me? Are you owning me? Am I your employee?

cheers.

@ppcamiga1

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is worth nothing shit that change amiga into mouse and keyboard interface for rpi.

And, taking that extremely distorted view into account, how is this different than literally every accelerator with PCI/Graphics card expansion combination?

The only things different are that swapped the physical CPU for a virtual one and you have the whole thing in a much smaller, more integrated footprint. Along with all the reliability and performance improvements that brings. And unlike your precious NG machine, it doesn't need to run UAE to run software that hits the original metal.

Checkmate.

Of course this is where you'll say that original Amiga software is also worth nothing shit, which says everything everyone ever needs to know about how much of an Amiga enthusiast you are.

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@Nimrod

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Nimrod wrote: @Tpod You say your objection was on a societal perspective, would you say that society has collapsed to to the legislation? I ask because I remember when homsexuality was legalised back in 1967 and people saying it would cause all kinds of disasters.

Well its been 10 years since Gay Marriage was introduced, so reasonable to ask if there is any evidence of negative societal changes since. Fair to conclude its had no major impact on the overall marriage rate (had a quick look at the stats). As for other societal effects I would think it's near impossible for a Sociologist (which I'm not) to come up with reliable research that can genuinely strip out other causal factors (unlike a much simpler change e.g. the impact of the smoking ban) to prove direct links to the change.

Since the change, we have however seen a significant deterioration in young peoples mental health & confusion with their gender identity (born out by the stats). Obviously this is far from solely because of the change in marriage, but individual societal changes like this do have a ripple effect & there are indicators (but not provable evidence) of some connection.

Although I felt I should reply to your question this is a sensitive topic (I'm not even explaining my conclusions fully because of this) & I am not interested in creating pointless arguments, so this really is my final reply on the topic.
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Certainly agree with you that we all should feel free to enjoy whatever Amiga flavor we want … they all have their good & not so good points.

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@michalsc

szulc stop trolling start working on mui on aros