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aria 
Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assets
Posted on 25-Feb-2019 5:26:00
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OK. So maybe no laws were broken and there are no privacy concerns. But I am still unclear as to why Michele (or whoever) would release those e-mails with some attachments to a news organization (amiga-news.de) rather than sending them privately to Jens and say something like - here is the proof that Amiga Forever can distribute P96. I consider Michele a reasonable guy, but this looks odd. And again there could be something behind I do not fully understand.


Perhaps you are asking the wrong questions.

Jens knew about the agreement all the time, he had seen those emails before he acquired P96. He even told Mike that he knew that Cloanto had that license for emulation purposes. Everything changed when Hyperion got involved, and Jens became an extension of Hyperion in the war against Cloanto. Tobias and Alexander made the mistake of signing a contract drafted by Ben Hermans (the P96 sale to Jens), in which they stated that there was no previous license, and now we have this mess. Another case of developers saying "I was so naive, I just signed". Jens could now even use this to ask his money back from Tobias and Alexander. Except that he had also told some people that he knew about the agreement before it was executed, so he can't really blame them.

As for disclosing that email exchange to the public, Mike had informed Tobias and Alexander before the footnote was added to the 2001 amigaforever.com news item. As required by law, private details and everything not related to the business part of the case was removed.

Ben Hermans is behind everything. Just like he registered the trademark "Amiga Forever", he also assisted with the license that Jens got for the "Commodore" logo, and in making Jens that appealing proposition of "you won't have to pay for any ROMs" (Amiga, or otherwise). They are challenging Cloanto on all fronts, just because Cloanto stood up and asked a question about the interpretation of the Settlement Agreement, which Hyperion had refused to answer.

And after doing all of this, both Ben and Jens depict in their respective (and very similar and coordinated) press releases how Cloanto is litigious. Crazy, isn't it? Imagine being a developer, and a belligerent lawyer registers your product name, and then says that you are "litigious"...

Last edited by aria on 25-Feb-2019 at 05:27 AM.

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      Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsgregthecanuck25-Feb-2019 10:58:21
      Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsOlafS2525-Feb-2019 12:09:38
          Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsmatthey25-Feb-2019 17:12:48
              Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsNonefornow25-Feb-2019 18:27:53
          Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsRob25-Feb-2019 20:33:20
              Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsribdevil25-Feb-2019 20:42:45
                  Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsBigD25-Feb-2019 21:40:37
                      Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsNonefornow26-Feb-2019 15:47:42
                          Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsHypex26-Feb-2019 16:14:11
                          Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsPetah26-Feb-2019 23:39:09
                  Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsmegol25-Feb-2019 22:02:02
                  Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetskolla26-Feb-2019 4:58:50
                      Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsOlafS2526-Feb-2019 8:43:46
                  Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsPetah26-Feb-2019 13:28:37
                      Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsBigD26-Feb-2019 14:01:57
                          Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc. assetsLou26-Feb-2019 14:18:12
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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 19-Feb-2019 23:02:07
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But I am still unclear as to why Michele (or whoever) would release those e-mails with some attachments to a news organization (amiga-news.de) rather than sending them privately to Jens and say something like - here is the proof that Amiga Forever can distribute P96.

Jens knows those emails - he already stated so in public (on amiga-news.de's comment section) and confirmed it via mail when I asked him for a statement to include in the news item: he says he's already seen them more than a year ago.

But that didn't stop him from claiming Cloanto was distributing pirated copies of P96 apparently, which is probably the reason (just speculating here - I don't know Mike's motivation) that they were released to the public: so everybody can draw his own conclusions.

And as #6 already pointed out: those mails were not released to *us*, they were published on amigaforever.com. Mike simply dropped us a mail notifying us of the update.

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 19-Feb-2019 21:30:11
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It actually appeared on the AmigaForever site first, long before the story on AN.

Including the link to the email. I have no idea what transpired after that.

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