@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Lou Quote: note the large disk support that 3.1.4 thinks is a *new* feature... Not really did you read this from Clontos page "For maximum compatibility, the Amiga boot partition should be the first partition of a disk, and it should not be larger than 4 GB. " It's the same old patches from haage&partner repackaged and resold. Quote: yeah so nothing at all... Yeah that was really long time ago, most of the program I have not heard about. what are Clonto doing now, to improve user experience for users of the platform? with exception of trying to shut down Hyperion recent work. I think Clonto is trying to create a monopoly, where they do not need to compete or improve anything.

FYI, Amiga Forever Kickstart 3.X ROM works with my class 10 16GB SD card (via IDE-to-SD adapter) on my Amiga 1200.

I verified Amiga Forever 2016's "amiga-os-3x0-a1200.rom" with 10GB HDF on WinUAE (configured to my current Amiga 1200's setup).

I also purchased Hyperion's Kickstart 3.1.4 ROM A1200 and it's corresponding Workbench disks.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Lou Quote: note the large disk support that 3.1.4 thinks is a *new* feature... Not really did you read this from Clontos page "For maximum compatibility, the Amiga boot partition should be the first partition of a disk, and it should not be larger than 4 GB. " It's the same old patches from haage&partner repackaged and resold. Quote: yeah so nothing at all... Yeah that was really long time ago, most of the program I have not heard about. what are Clonto doing now, to improve user experience for users of the platform? with exception of trying to shut down Hyperion recent work. I think Clonto is trying to create a monopoly, where they do not need to compete or improve anything.

We know where you stand. You can read how wrong your statements are in post # 1029 of this thread.

Cloanto PAID developers of OS 3.5 and 3.9 for their work to include their work in 3.10 aka 3.X. 3.X(10) includes a 3.X ROM which can be burned into an actual chip. So yes, they have developed to OS to 3.10/X, far ahead in version numbers of 3.1.4 … Hyperion didn't pay for anything in 3.5 & 3.9 which is why you have back-ported features in 3.1.4.1.5.9

So yes, Cloanto released OS 3.X aka 3.10 so that we can all benefit from 3.5 and 3.9 and a new ROM and more features. This is part of AmigaForever as mentioned in multiple court documents...not to mention all the people who bought AmigaForever and already had the upgraded OS for maybe 10 years now...

Let me re-iterate a key difference between Hyperion and Cloanto: Cloanto actually pays developers.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Quote: note the large disk support that 3.1.4 thinks is a *new* feature... Not really did you read this from Clontos page "For maximum compatibility, the Amiga boot partition should be the first partition of a disk, and it should not be larger than 4 GB. " It's the same old patches from haage&partner repackaged and resold.

Haage & Partner did never release a 3.1[.x] version, and they didn't release an updated Kickstart ROM. But Cloanto (the owners of Amiga) did release a 3.1 update. If you read the release-notes of Cloanto's 3.1, it explicitly say that a 3.X ROM is needed to take full advantage of this particular feature at boot. This was way before 3.1.4. RIght?

Edit: And you should take special notice when the Amiga Emulation experts talks about "for maximum compatibility". In this case you quoted out of context to make a political point. In reality, the entire paragraph was about a recommendation on how to make the most SW run, including very old SW:

For maximum compatibility, the Amiga boot partition should be the first partition of a disk, and it should not be larger than 4 GB. In order to remain compatible with older software that uses 32-bit values to measure disk capacity, a maximum partition size of 2 GB is recommended.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: Yeah that was really long time ago, most of the program I have not heard about. what are Clonto doing now, to improve user experience for users of the platform? with exception of trying to shut down Hyperion recent work. I think Clonto is trying to create a monopoly, where they do not need to compete or improve anything.

From what I read in that document, what Cloanto is trying to do is to stop Hyperion from doing other things than develop and sell AmigaOS 4.x (5.x and so on). Hyperion is stepping in everywhere like they own AmigaOS and the trademarks. Hyperion has a license to develop their own operating system 4.x (based on 3.1 source) and use a couple of trademarks with that product to make it be some kind of Amiga product.

I think Cloanto is trying to put up fences (or a border) on the beach to make it clear what each side can do and not do. As I see it, Hyperion acts as if they own the entire beach and do what they want, which seems reasonable clear is not within their rights.

There are a couple of things I would like to understand. Why did Olsen&Co side with Hyperion to make 3.1.4 and not with Cloanto? If Cloanto manage to erect this fence properly, what rights do they have to develop new things based on 3.1 and would that potentially become a problem later?

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @Lou I think Clonto is trying to create a monopoly, where they do not need to compete or improve anything.

Create? Hyperion already did it.