@KingKong

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KingKong wrote: @cheesegrate Isn't it curious that Amiga died instead of being developted to a great company?

No not really

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Well ... it isn't if you know that there (may) exist mighty powers who prevented it.

There was no conspiracy, just a lack of developments and investments until the system was totally behind its competitors.

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Why is the Amiga-community split up? Well ... guess why.

Because some people believe lies and spread lies and hate

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@KingKong

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KingKong wrote: @Nimrod Hahaha. Interesting that you show no understanding. Well, you can't be an insider because none of them will ever dare to call himself Nimrod. Hint: some know and some know not.

leave us nimrods alone, please

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@KingKong

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Hint: some know and some know not.

Well, that's what you know.

Anyway, the end of the world thread is currently located here. References to websites about the apocalypse belong there, not in this thread. Now, back to the Dave Haynie argument!

@KingKong

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Isn't it curious that Amiga died instead of being developted to a great company?

AI is still alive, barely, but it is still alive.

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@cheesegrate

Never mind

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opp., the vast majority who voted silently with their feet.

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@cheesegrate

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cheesegrate wrote: @itix i think hazydave is just jealous cause bplan and morphos team did everything that metabox aspired too.

Thank you! Its about time someone pointed out that Dave's opinion might be tainted.
Furthermore, MorphOS probably would not have been ported to the Pegasos if Amiga Inc and Hyperion had not failed to deliver an OS.

Frankly, it gets tiresome hearing repeated unsupported libelous accusations made against the developers of a superior product.

If MorphOS was based on AOS3.1 (as AOS4 is) then MorphOS would likely suck as bad as AOS4 does.

@iggy

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Furthermore, MorphOS probably would not have been ported to the Pegasos if Amiga Inc and Hyperion had not failed to deliver an OS.

I can't see how you came to that conclusion.

@Rob

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Rob wrote: @iggy Quote: Furthermore, MorphOS probably would not have been ported to the Pegasos if Amiga Inc and Hyperion had not failed to deliver an OS. I can't see how you came to that conclusion.

Then you didn't follow the court cases. AInc was found guilty of failure to perform in this matter long ago. Of course due to the corporate shuffle all obligations of the original AInc are left behind, while the new corporation makes threadbare claims to the proper transfer of intellectual properties.

@iggy

I think you're getting Amiga OS4 mixed up with AmigaDE. If the contract had been delivered upon I don't see how it would have stopped MorphOS from being ported to the Pegasos.

MorphOS was always going to run on the Pegasos and MorphOS would have been OS4 if Amiga Inc and Ralph Schmidt had been able to come to an agreement.

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Rob wrote: @iggy I think you're getting Amiga OS4 mixed up with AmigaDE. If the contract had been delivered upon I don't see how it would have stopped MorphOS from being ported to the Pegasos. MorphOS was always going to run on the Pegasos and MorphOS would have been OS4 if Amiga Inc and Ralph Schmidt had been able to come to an agreement.

That last part is quite true. Had Ralph and Bill come to an agreement then there never would have been a need for Hyperion's work.
But there was an obvious difference of opinion on what rights Thendic had been assigned. The opinion you're quoting is Bill McEwen's and does not reflect the judgment of the court (which Amiga Inc sought relief from).
Further, after the court battles Bill announced that the intellectual property had been transfered top KMOS which then transferred it to Amiga Inc. Delaware.

The real question (that has never been answered) is if Escom or Gateway never truly owned the rights to Amniga OS how could they be re-assigned.
And Bill's contract with Gateway was a license for trademarks, not a contract transferring ownership of intellectual properties.
Several other companies had licensed or even acquired co-author status on the Amiga operating system well before Amiga Washington had incorporated.

Amiga Inc.'s claim to ownership to AmigaOS is highly suspect and the court settlement between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion does little to clear up this ambiguity. Instead it just solidifies Amiga Inc's claim over OS3.1 and Hyperion's right to use 3.1 to develop 4.0 and beyond.

In a word, it is a shared agreement/opinion between both entities of questionable validity.

It would be a serious mistake for either Amiga Inc. or Hyperion to assume that they have a strong enough claim to this property to ever take another company to court over it.

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I think you're getting Amiga OS4 mixed up with AmigaDE. If the contract had been delivered upon I don't see how it would have stopped MorphOS from being ported to the Pegasos. MorphOS was always going to run on the Pegasos and MorphOS would have been OS4 if Amiga Inc and Ralph Schmidt had been able to come to an agreement.

I mean this with absolute respect, but your history and timelines are a bit lacking. AmigaDE predates MorphOS public releases and was indeed marketed as AmigaOS. Amiga Inc failed to deliver AmigaOS to Thendic/Genesi.

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@redrumloa

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AmigaDE predates MorphOS

Paper you linked is from pre-Amino times (no AmigaDE...).

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and was indeed marketed as AmigaOS

That was probably original idea - to base new OS on DE technology.

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but your history and timelines are a bit lacking

He is not alone.

@pavlor

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Paper you linked is from pre-Amino times (no AmigaDE...).

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amigade.html

In early 2000, Fleecy Moss indicated that Amiga DE was aimed at two markets. Although a great deal has changed since that time, it remains an accurate description of Amiga Inc's intent.

This handout was "confidential" when handed out 1 year prior to this above and IIRC it was indeed describing DE. I put confidential in quotes because no NDA agreements were signed. Everyone who attended the show got one.

I'll have to look back in my archives to see of the other pages mention AmigaDE by name.

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@redrumloa

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This handout was "confidential" when handed out 1 year prior to this above and IIRC it was indeed describing DE.

AmigaDE was born in Amino - outside Amiga.Inc. Your paper is from Amiga.Inc and describes its plans for Amiga NG. Considering this paper is from February 1999 it was created even before Amiga MCC cancellation. It has nothing common with later Intent based AmigaDE plans.

Plans of Amiga.Inc (Gateway2000) and Amiga.Inc (Amino) seems to be similar, but not the same. You probably misunderstood the difference between both projects.

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@pavlor

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AmigaDE was born in Amino - outside Amiga.Inc. Your paper is from Amiga.Inc and describes its plans for Amiga NG. Considering this paper is from February 1999 it was created even before Amiga MCC cancellation. It has nothing common with later Intent based AmigaDE plans. Plans of Amiga.Inc (Gateway2000) and Amiga.Inc (Amino) seems to be similar, but not the same. You probably misunderstood the difference between both projects.

I could be wrong, but that is not my memory on the subject. People who directly attended this event have described to me that this was indeed "confidential" about AmigaDE and the plans. I remember Amiga Objects which was basically the same concept as AmigaDE and was at the tail end of Gateway-Amiga.

Anyhow, this is interesting but WAY off topic. I've dug up a few other pictures. I will probably start a new thread so it is on topic and not OT like now.

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@redrumloa: pavlor is right (see other thread).

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@iggy

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The real question (that has never been answered) is if Escom or Gateway never truly owned the rights to Amniga OS how could they be re-assigned. And Bill's contract with Gateway was a license for trademarks, not a contract transferring ownership of intellectual properties. Several other companies had licensed or even acquired co-author status on the Amiga operating system well before Amiga Washington had incorporated. Amiga Inc.'s claim to ownership to AmigaOS is highly suspect and the court settlement between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion does little to clear up this ambiguity. Instead it just solidifies Amiga Inc's claim over OS3.1 and Hyperion's right to use 3.1 to develop 4.0 and beyond. In a word, it is a shared agreement/opinion between both entities of questionable validity.

also from iggy: iggy #6 and iggy #12

Interesting thoughts, thanks.

Maybe it's quite easy: Hyperion Entertainment has (more or less) the rights for AmigaOS and this will be the base for further versions of AmigaOS.

Let's assume that AmigaOS has a great chance to become the major OS of the world - in that case some guys may claim this or that but hopefully then real Amiga (for instance Hyperion Entertainment and A-EON Technology) has enough good support to tackle them.

Real Amigans with rights will happily see AmigaOS prosper and give their right or a licence to Amiga for some money - no problem there.

If there is someone with a serious right who likes to hamper Amiga he'll get trouble (lawfully). If he has support from big guys (like MS), the case may escalate further ... maybe as far as Eurasia vs. USA (if you don't give us this you won't get that) and guess who will win. This may sound silly but if someone is not content with some Millions (for some stuff he hasn't done much for), there must be a reason.