@Hyperionmp

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What are you credentials anyway to make such statements? Are you a hardware engineer? Do you have experience with the XMOS chips?

Don't question his knowledge. Correct him if he's wrong.

Good:

"No, it's not like that because A, B and C"

Bad:

"YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!"

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@Kronos
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I can buy "protected" proto-boards for USB, PCI, PAR or SER without much hassle, a "protected" Xorro-board would need to be developed.

Been there, done that. Time for something new. The Amiga way....Elegant.
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People developing such boards from scratch (read unprotected) will most likely 1st connect it to some old obsolete HW to check for fatal errors on the HW-side.

The protection goes on the Xorro card. The prototyping takes place outside of
the computer. Very difficult working with probes inside the box. Even if I was using
a PCI card.
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Voltages and pin-outs on most busses/connectors are fixed the suggestion that those will be user-programable on Xorro will lead to some dramatic effects due to simple typos.

Yup! Program a Xena pin for output then connect it to something that is also a output
and it's not going to work. If properly protected, you need to reprogram one of those
as an input or rethink what your doing. No harm, no foul, no smoke. Git er done, go
into production, or in the case of hobbyist, , NEXT!
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@opi
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"YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!"

In my case that would have been correct. That's why I try to keep a low profile.

@umisef

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How exactly is the XCore chip a "better option" than the FPGA on the Sam boards?

As I understand it, the FPGA on the Sam is not useable by the user, and the Xcore is.

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@Hans

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I'd completely forgotten about the CF slot. That's a nice feature. Add a touch-screen panel (Rigo's got a driver) and you're all set. Hans

Could I have, (a bit bulky) AmigaPad then?

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@KimmoK

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What features is planned to have in AOS4 when it ships with the x1000? (I believe the HW has such insane amount of features to support that not all are initially supported.)

Good question. Send it in.

@Thread

I cannot see the reason for the focus of this thread being a $5 add on to the board.
If you read all the naysayers, the nemo board is no good because it has a unique feature, which they cannot (yet) use. The board is not released yet, so no-one can use it.

To me, much more significant is the speed of the thing (at least 1.6Ghz), and that it has not one, but TWO cores.
Os4 will fly on this!
Pagestream, which I use a lot will fly on this!
ImageFX will fly on this, etc, etc!!!!

If somebody develops some cool add-on for the Xcore that is useful to me, I'll buy it, but just an X1000 will be more than enough, even without SMP it will trounce my A1.
Which for the naysayers is faster to use than my IMac, or my wifes PC.

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@Swoop

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Swoop wrote: @Thread I cannot see the reason for the focus of this thread being a $5 add on to the board.

Boredom(?). Feeling restricted(?). Dreaming(?). Can't recall the last time we
had something new more than a PC(?). Not enough info on the rest of the MB yet(?).

Pick one, two........ Ask a question. I just posted the question;
'Are the PCI slots 3.3 AND 5V?'
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If somebody develops some cool add-on for the Xcore that is useful to me, I'll buy it, but just an X1000 will be more than enough, even without SMP it will trounce my A1. Which for the naysayers is faster to use than my IMac, or my wifes PC.

Sounds like you may need two X1000s.

Do you have any thoughts about using 2 video cards?

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Don't question his knowledge. Correct him if he's wrong.

I think HyperionMP answered the way he did, because they can't REVEAL the info yet. (This doesn't stop Kronos/etc from criticising unknown stuff...)

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@Kronos
Funny how you NEVER admit to being wrong, you just ignore it & move on to the next criticism you think you might work. Pretty clear your only interest is in bashing.

@all
The point about damaging the X1000 due to wrongly wiring-up a "general I/O card" is valid - just not the show-stopped that Kronos wants it to be...

... But there is also a very simple solution: The XCore chips are designed to work together, so one could have one on a Xorro card, and have it talk to the XCore chip on the X1000. I/O would then be done using the XCore chip on the plug-in card, while the XCore chip in the X1000 would provide a fast & standard way to program the thing. If you blow-up the XCore chip on the card, you can simply buy another card.

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@Kronos

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Kronos wrote: @ChrisH/Hans I can buy "protected" proto-boards for USB, PCI, PAR or SER without much hassle, a "protected" Xorro-board would need to be developed. People developing such boards from scratch (read unprotected) will most likely 1st connect it to some old obsolete HW to check for fatal errors on the HW-side.

Okay, and this is hard/impossible because? No answer? That's not surprising, because developing a "protected" Xorro proto board really isn't that hard.

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Voltages and pin-outs on most busses/connectors are fixed the suggestion that those will be user-programable on Xorro will lead to some dramatic effects due to simple typos.

Nevertheless, it's still very possible to create an effective proto board that copes with the flexibility. The voltages and pin-out for Xorro will be fixed. Just because the pins are almost all likely to be GPIO pins doesn't make them any easier/harder than the data lines of a PCI bus.

Developing this proto board is NOT the big deal that you're making it out to be.

Hans

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by tiffers on 14-Mar-2010 13:07:01 @itix Yes, we all know that. Having the Xena onboard doesn't give you extra IO ports on the back/front of the machine. Unless the CF slot is connected? Yes, you would need a Xorro card to get those IO lanes actually doing something useful. As I said, it's not being touted as 'everyone will/can use this' but as 'everyone has one'. From a hardware developer's point of view it would be good to know everyone has one if I found a groovey way to use it, and to produce something much more quickly and cheaper than if I had to do it a more traditional way. Are we looking at it from the right perspective? Everyone's talking…

People are focusing on immediate personal benefits instead of considering its potential as a development platform which could accelerate innovation and reduce costs for developers like yourself. It seems we should reframe our perspective to see how Xena can serve broader goals in technology advancement rather than just individual enhancements.