@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Lou Quote: At the time, those OS's were non-existent. IBM hired MS to write a 'dos' but I don't think the contract made MS-DOS exclusive to IBM platforms. It was a contractual oversight I believe. Microsoft did not write DOS, they bought Quick and DIrty OS from a developer who copied parts of CP/M for 25K dollars. IBM released their first PC in 1981, in 1980 the QNX project was started and the first release was available by 1982. With IBM dedicating some resources QNX would have been a viable option.

True, but going back to the other comment about 'should have used QNX or OS2/' - you recall OS/2 was started as a joint MS/IBM project, right?

IBM didn't always make the best decisions there, and MS marketing and 'savvy' sadly eclipsed them, and most others, even if sleazy and monopolistic over time.

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MikeB wrote: @Hammer IBM allowed Microsoft to sell MS-DOS, for non-IBM platforms. In hind sight that was bad idea for the company. IMO they should have dropped MSDOS altogether from the beginning and go for QNX or should have developed something of their own like OS/2.

IBM licensed MS-DOS as PC-DOS without exclusivity .

Prior to X86 and MS-DOS, there was the X80/X85/Z80 and CP/M combo.

Refer to CP/M's and MS-DOS's (for IBM, its PC-DOS) history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M

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@ PS3 owners

So who here will be downloading Home tomorrow then?

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@Amiboy

Looking forward to this, I'm still waiting for the DH3/Sixaxis add-on keyboard with touch sensitive mouse functionality to become available here. I would like to use that, though I have a headset ready as well.

@MikeB

Future of gaming is NOT on blu-ray.

I disagree I think Blu-Ray will be used on the console.

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BrianK wrote: @MikeB Future of gaming is NOT on blu-ray. I disagree I think Blu-Ray will be used on the console.

They could easily include an HD-DVD drive for it's added storage over DVD if storage is what they're looking for. With Netflix now on the 360, BluRay is a non-issue.

Personally, I don't see the "next" generation pushing visuals farther than 1080p. The only option is probably the "true 3D" displays that some LCD's are going to be capable of. So if software still needs a hard medium of delivery in a point-of-sale establishment, then HD-DVD probably solves that issue.

Otherwise, the 720 will be what the Phantom wanted to be.

Hopefully, Nintendo will crawl to 720p and 512MB and some programmable shaders... Perhaps a Power6 class cpu with a true succesor to the Flipper with a larger FB and an expanded TEV that does include programmable shaders. We already know they are looking into even more sensitive and accurate WiiMote tech. You can bet that if Sony and MS jump on the accelerometer bandwagon, that Nintendo's early experience with it will still make for a more accurate application.

Who knows what technology Sony will throw billions into next... They need more and unified RAM and a better gpu. Faster seek+access time on BluRay wouldn't hurt either...

November NPD:
• Wii - 2,040,000
• Nintendo DS - 1,570,000
• Xbox 360 - 836,000
• PSP - 421,000
• PlayStation 3 - 378,000
• PlayStation 2 - 206,000

01. Gears of War 2 (Xbox 360) - 1.56 million
02. Call of Duty: World at War (Xbox 360) - 1.41 million
03. Wii Play (Wii) - 796,000
04. Wii Fit (Wii) - 697,000
05. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) - 637,000
06: Call of Duty: World at War (PS3) - 597,000
07. Guitar Hero World Tour (Wii) - 475,0000
08. Left 4 Dead (Xbox 360) - 410,000
09. Resistance 2 (PS3) - 385,000
10. Wii Music (Wii) - 297,000

@Amiboy

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Amiboy wrote: @ PS3 owners So who here will be downloading Home tomorrow then?

ROTFLMAO!

HOME launches broken.

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Lou wrote: @Amiboy Quote: Amiboy wrote: @ PS3 owners So who here will be downloading Home tomorrow then? ROTFLMAO! HOME launches broken.

And uninteresting. It's ok as a replacement or supplement to Skype or IM, but beyond that, not so much.

Funny to see them trying to charge you *real* $, like 99 cents for a 'new shirt' etc. Good luck with that one.

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wegster wrote: @Lou Quote: Lou wrote: @Amiboy [quote] Amiboy wrote: @ PS3 owners So who here will be downloading Home tomorrow then? ROTFLMAO! HOME launches broken.

And uninteresting. It's ok as a replacement or supplement to Skype or IM, but beyond that, not so much.

Funny to see them trying to charge you *real* $, like 99 cents for a 'new shirt' etc. Good luck with that one.

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It was called uninteresting at the TGS. I guess no one was listening. It is just going to serve as a tool to deliver more ads to you.

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November NPD: • Wii - 2,040,000 • Nintendo DS - 1,570,000 • Xbox 360 - 836,000 • PSP - 421,000 • PlayStation 3 - 378,000 • PlayStation 2 - 206,000

Microsoft did claim Nov for the 360 over the PS3. But, I didn't expect the PS2 to have droped so low. The 360 beat the PS3+PS2. Ouch. We will see what Dec brings. I think the story playing out here is the high cost PS3 + aged PS2 are exceptions to the market. Not a good place to be for Sony IF the economies don't pick up soon. What this means is lower PS3 game sales, read profit, for Sony's gaming in 2009.

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@MikeB

Sony seems to have some serious Public Relationship problems The link does a good job describing them.

With the recent $1M lawsuit a very good starting point for the author. Sony used a Root-Kit to spy on customers and got in trouble. So now instead they spy on customer's childern? What were they thinking?

@BrianK

So Sony's response to a Casual Gaming Christmas is Singstar Abba and Little Big Planet! They're not exactly system shifters are they! I'm almost certainly set on a 'Jasper' mobo Xbox 360 when I become fed up with my PS2 (hasn't happened yet as I'm a retro head anyway). Yeah I could play Wipeout HD and Superstardust on PS3 but I could play Speedball, Sensible Soccer and Red Alert 3 on the Xbox! Also, it's got a better pad (although the D-pad needs work) and is back compatible,so I could fish out Doom 3 if I wanted! Sony didn't even release Twisted Metal: Extra Twisted in the UK, the straw that broke the camels back.

Also, No back compatibility = no brand loyalty = game over expensive over hyped system 'PS3'!

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Amateur biased US press, maybe they hope it will become a self-fulling prophecy or something.

Pricing of course is to the 360's advantage and the console performs better in the US than for the rest of the world. But the US is much smaller than the rest of the world.

It costs 119 Euro including 19% taxes here in the Netherlands, the PS3 goes for about triple that amount. That's OK, because the PS3 comes with much higher specifications. So what if a cheap PC sells more than a higher specced PC? Eventually a better PC will be affordable for more people as well. The same goes for high specced TVs vs cheap TVs, etc, etc.

But taking equal timeframes the PS3 sold a lot better than the 360 (at a higher entry pricing, even when taking out of account the later release for PAL regions and other countries where the PS3 is yet to launch), it also has more exclusives amongst its top 25 best sold games. Only 6 of the best sold 360 games are Microsoft published exclusives, the rest of its top 25 games are also on the PS3.

Year over year sales, the PS3 has seen massive growth in also the United States. Just the holiday season is when many kids get presents and cheap presents are more easily bought by parents.

@MikeB

So, are you disputing this, or just talking, then?
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Sony was only able to sell 378,000 PS3s this November, compared to 466,000 last year.

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@wegster

Year to date sales for the PS3 are up 60% compared to last year for the United States.

@MikeB

Link supporting this?

You saying worldwide, or US sales?

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@wegster

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18379/November-2008-NPD-Sonys-Take/

NPD is the source, so US sales.

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They could easily include an HD-DVD drive for it's added storage over DVD if storage is what they're looking for. With Netflix now on the 360, BluRay is a non-issue.

IMO HD-DVD should just be allowed to die now. IF an external storage device is going to be used I'd say use Blu-Ray. One plus is the new Xbox3 with Blu-Ray would prove a point similar to the old PS3. It adds the element of movies being cross platform compatible. (Yeah the wrong term but it works). I think the Xbox3 will need some form of DVD as ensuring 360 backwards compatibility is a good idea. No bait and switch like the PS3 did on this please.

As for visuals at 1080p... I agree for a console which is meant to be on the TV there is no reason. Though likely newer faster chipsets will enable larger image sizes. What's the current top end PC chipset? Something akin to 6x more than the 360 or PS3's video chips. Nvidia even showed a supercomputer based on their GPUs.

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You can bet that if Sony and MS jump on the accelerometer bandwagon, that Nintendo's early experience with it will still make for a more accurate application

Accelerometers aren't new to Microsoft either as they had a controller for the PC with them before the Wii was even an inital design.

While I expect the Wii2 and Xbox3 to be more powerful than the PS3 it'll be interesting to see their approach. The Wii, the lowest processing power console, is undoubtably the winner this generation. Will Nintendo try to replay that approach? Will Microsoft determine they can play that approach too?

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Who knows what technology Sony will throw billions into next... They need more and unified RAM and a better gpu. Faster seek+access time on BluRay wouldn't hurt either

Many have predicted the billions thrown into the Cell will not be fully recoverable with the PS3. The more conservative approach will be make a Cell2. A bit worse of a choice will be to take the loss and use something more off the shelf. Repeating billions into a new architecture I don't think is a good economic decision for their business, the odds of that bet are too great in the loss direction.