Killzone 2 is a relative flop in the US.

February NPD:

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-Wii: 753K 74K (+11%) -DS: 588K 77K (+15%) -Xbox 360: 391K 82K (+27%) -PS3: 276K 73K (+36%) -PSP: 199K 27K (+16%) -PS2: 131K 30K (+30%) Top 10 Games of February 2009 1. Wii Fit with balance board - Nintendo - 644K 2. Street Fighter IV - Xbox 360 - Capcom - 446K* 3. Street Fighter IV - PS3 - Capcom - 403K* 4. Wii Play with remote - Nintendo - 386K 5. Killzone 2 - Sony - 323K 6. Mario Kart Wii with wheel - Nintendo - 263K 7. Call of Duty: World at War - Xbox 360 - Activision - 193K* 8. Mario Kart DS - Nintendo - 145K 9. New Super Mario Bros. - Nintendo - 144K 10. Guitar Hero World Tour - Wii - Activision - 136K* * Includes Collector's, Limited and Bundled Editions

I say relative based on the install base and other similarly hyped games.
Ok, it was full of fail, but whatever...

Here's how Greenberg puts it:
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"The PS3 was down in February two per cent even with the launch of Killzone 2 - that's months of year-over-year declines," he claimed. "Xbox continues to head north while the PS3 is heading south. We're gaining share." "What we're finding in our research is that a large portion of the volume we're driving with Xbox 360 purchasers is actually PS2 owners choosing Xbox for the next generation. We're switching people from the PlayStation brand over to the Xbox brand."

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@Lou

You do realize Killzone 2 was released on the 27th of February in the US? So only 2 days worth of sales in February...

@wegster

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What's the total install size on disk, btw?

Depends on what you want included.

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And, no comment on writing up a howto - no interest, then?

http://blogs.ydl.net/billb/2008/03/02/amiga-os-3x-on-the-ps3/

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Lou You do realize Killzone 2 was released on the 27th of February in the US? So only 2 days worth of sales in February...

In the US, 95% of sales are done via pre-order on the day the game releases...
We'll see how it does next month...

@Lou

That's not even remotely true, for example first week sales of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune only accounted for about 3% of total sales for the US by now.

Even for a highly anticipated PS3 game like Metal Gear Solid 4 this isn't remotely the case, the bulk of sales took place after its first week on the market.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Lou That's not even remotely true, for example first week sales of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune only accounted for about 3% of total sales for the US by now. Even for a highly anticipated PS3 game like Metal Gear Solid 4 this isn't remotely the case, the bulk of sales took place after its first week on the market.

It's extremely true for hyped titles...which as we know was hyped to hell and back by YOU and the media and SONY since E3 way before the PS3 even launched.

You keep claiming that the PS3 is the hardcore gaming platform, well the hardcore gamer is going to pre-order and buy on launch. Isn't that # about what LBP did when it launched? Perhaps you can determine the # of people who bought the PS3 for Blu Ray vs. games by analyzing these #'s...

Aaron Greenberg:
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Broaching the subject of competitors head on, Greenberg says, "What we hear from our partners is that it's not just PS3, it's also PS2 down 62 percent year over year. With that business declining, and with the PS3 business declining, it's been described to me as hemorrhaging at retail right now, and it just keeps getting worse."

I think what's starting to happen with the latest 360 price cut and XNE is that people who owned a PS3 are now buying 360's. Even publishers are jumping ship because:

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According to comments made by several unnamed publishing sources, Sony's "PlayStation Network Bandwidth Fee," implemented in October of last year, asks publishers to pay 16 cents for every gigabyte of bandwidth distributed through the PlayStation Store. The charge, which applies to everything from demos to game add-ons, is one difference between Sony's network and Microsoft's Xbox Live Marketplace that's giving publishers pause. "It definitely makes us think about how we view the distribution of content related to our games when it is free for us to do it on the web, on Xbox Live, or any other way - including broadcast - than on Sony's platform," explained one source. "It's a new thing we have to budget. It's not cool. It sucks."

@Lou

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-Xbox 360: 391K 82K (+27%) -PS3: 276K 73K (+36%)

Gossip Gamers Has the same #s but different %. 360 at 29% and PS3 at 23%. Still not good for the PS3 in the USA. 1 month of 360 sales is ~1.5 months of PS3 sales. Of course throw in the Wii and all bets are off. Wii sales are ~2.5 months of PS3 sales.

@Thread..
PS3 cooked in a Microwave Ask your mom before you do this.

@BrianK

The 360 had a one year headstart for the United States, a little research indicates that the PS3 outsold the 360 20K compared to last year for February, this despite its higher entry pricing.

The US is significantly different from the rest of the world, like was the case with the original XBox the 360 sold more units in the US than for the rest of the world. This counts to a much lesser degree for Canada, the United Kingdom and Australia as well.

If the PS3 performs so badly, the 360 performed badly last year as well. Why all the double standards from people like you?

Sorry Duplicate post...

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@all

The Sony (SNE) PS3 Hits The Wall

http://247wallst.com/2009/03/20/the-sony-sne-ps3-hits-the-wall/

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Posted: March 20, 2009 at 4:44 am Sir Howard Stringer, the CEO of Sony (SNE), tried to convince himself and his company’s stockholders that the PS3 game platform would be a key component to turning the consumer electronics and entertainment firm around. Over the last month, things have not worked out well for Stringer. He has sacked his No.2, admitted that Sony will take a loss, and froze the salaries of many employees. But, that is not the end of the bad news. PS3 sales are still stunningly low. The product is overpriced and under-featured. The less expensive and, in the eyes of most consumers, more fun, Nintendo Wii still leads sales in the game system world. The Xbox from Microsoft (MSFT) has kept its second place rank. For Sony, PS3 sales rates are not improving even though the company has cut prices on some of the models and added new games. According to Bloomberg, “Nintendo Co.’s U.S. sales of its Wii video-game consoles rose 74 percent in February, extending the company’s lead over Microsoft Corp. and Sony Corp. ” During the same period, Xbox sales rose 53% to 391,000 and PS3 sales were off almost 2% to 276,000. Most of the divisions at Sony are doing poorly now. It TV screen business has been hurt as its products have become commodities in the world of consumer electronics. It digital cameras face the same fate. Its movie studio revenue goes up and down based on how well its releases do. The PS3 is the most visible sign of Sony’s desperate situation. It has no product on the horizon to pull it out of the dumpster, so it faces years of being on the fringes of businesses that it dominated with the Walk-Man and PS2. Douglas A. McIntyre

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@MikeB

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Why all the double standards from people like you?

Maybe you should ask those people like me then? Hahha -- Okay enough humor. I think what you are trying to say is you perceive some sort of double standard. I don't and let me explain why.

(Side note I never said badly I did say not well but for ease let's claim they are the same. )


Here is my statement : " Still not good for the PS3 in the USA. 1 month of 360 sales is ~1.5 months of PS3 sales. Of course throw in the Wii and all bets are off. Wii sales are ~2.5 months of PS3 sales. "
Here is your statement: "The 360 had a one year headstart for the United States, a little research indicates that the PS3 outsold the 360 20K compared to last year for February, this despite its higher entry pricing."
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You are using a different criteria than I am. You are comparing Feb 08 360 sales to Feb 09 PS3 sales because of the 1 year head start of the 360. My comparision is Feb 09 Wii vs 360 vs PS3.


It's not as clear here but perhaps again you diverged from my critiera? MikeB quote ="The US is significantly different from the rest of the world...". I state "Still not good for the PS3 in the USA".
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I commented on USA only. If we want to talk world then certainly that is different critiera than my statements. (It is not quite clear to me are you using the world?)


Here is your statement :"If the PS3 performs so badly, the 360 performed badly last year as well"
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Again I'm not sure we are using the same criteria? My comments were to Wii vs 360 vs PS3 sales in Feb 09. Are you reusing the same Feb 08 360 to Feb 09 PS3 you previously used? If not and if you are using the same critieria as me you can see I didn't make any Feb 08 Wii vs 360 vs PS3 sales. The answer why I didn't is well because I compared Feb 09 only. If you're expecting me to comment on Feb 08 I made none.

SUMAARY: I see mismatched critiera.
Me: Feb 09 Wii vs 360 vs PS3
You: Feb 08 360 vs Feb 09 PS3
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Me: Feb 08 -- no comments
You: Feb 08 -- claim I said the 360 didn't perform badly.
And possibly
Me: USA
You World

It's hard for me to see a double standard when I didn't use your criteria nor I did I make a statement about how well systems performed last year.

Make sense?

@all

Microsoft: Sony's PS3 Is "Hemorrhaging"

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-sonys-ps3-is-hemorrhaging-2009-3

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The executive painted a particularly bleak picture of the PlayStation brand at retail, saying retail partners have characterized it as "hemorrhaging," in part because many existing PlayStation 2 owners are migrating to Xbox 360 rather than PlayStation 3. "You can't underestimate that we're half the price of the PS3 at a time when consumers were looking for great value," he said. "The PS3 was down in February two percent even with the launch of Killzone 2 -- that's months of year-over-year declines. Xbox continues to head north while the PS3 is heading south. We're gaining share."

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@all

Nintendo, Microsoft’s Console Sales Rise; Sony Falls

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601204&sid=azLwr9oP8ZkU&refer=industries

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Stores sold 391,000 Microsoft Xbox 360 players, a gain of 53 percent, and 276,000 of Sony’s PlayStation 3, a 1.7 percent decline.

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@fairlanefastback

I think no major shockers there, the PS3's entry pricing is still the same as the year before for the United States. IMO selling 10+ million worldwide a year is acceptable at this entry pricing.

The PS3 is the new Gamecube!
Perhaps they can pull a Wii with the PS4...

@all

Sony Faces Heat From Game Publishers to Cut PS3 Price

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aLi3FF13LuVI&refer=japan

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Sony Corp. is under pressure from video-game publishers to cut the price of the PlayStation 3 console or risk seeing more development funds shift to Nintendo Co.’s Wii.

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“If they can’t meaningfully increase their install base, then you will likely see a capital reallocation,” Hickey said.

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“You can’t ignore the guy who has half the market,” said Peter Moore, head of sports games at Redwood City, California- based Electronic Arts, maker of the “Madden NFL” series.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback I think no major shockers there, the PS3's entry pricing is still the same as the year before for the United States. IMO selling 10+ million worldwide a year is acceptable at this entry pricing.

Using that same logic selling four units of a $10 million car is likely acceptable as well. But it will never be the car that reaches widespread public acceptance and use. The PS3 was not drawn up to be a device that would so reclusive as it is currently. It was designed to take over the mantel of top home gaming system in the world from the PS2. For what it was supposed to be its a failure so far. Thats not to say it does not have any charms. But from a business perspective things are REALLY REALLY bad.

Your fanboy enthusiasm does not help shareholders of the company like myself. Because somehow some Sony executives seem to be diluting themselves in a similar fashion.

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Sony finally lowers entry development costs for PS3 development in an attempt to lure new developers onto the PS3 platform:

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The newly-released DECR-1400A debugging Reference Tool today costs $2,000 in North America and just over £1,500 for European studios. Previous development kits were priced at over $10,000. Japan will be getting a new model too, the DECR-1400J, which will set developers back some ¥200,000.

This actually brings the kit inline with the original cost of the Wii development kit.

@fairlanefastback

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Using that same logic selling four units of a $10 million car is likely acceptable as well.

- 399 dollars isn't remotely equivalent to 10 million dollars.
- 10+ million units sold per year isn't remotely equivalent to 4 units.

- However 399 dollars is cheaper than what the Amiga 500 costed, even while not taking into account inflation.
- However 10 milion plus sales per year is more sales per year than all Amiga models combined ever sold.

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@MikeB

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- However 399 dollars is cheaper than what the Amiga 500 costed, even while not taking into account inflation. - However 10 milion plus sales per year is more sales per year than all Amiga models combined ever sold.

Is the PS3 trying to be the next king of the hill heir to the former throne of the PS2 or trying to be the next Amiga 500?

Its failed at maintaining the dominance the PS2 represented. Comparing its sales to an Amiga is not going to help the situation of it being dead last in the current generation gaming system race and that Sony blew the tremendous lead the PS2 had given them in that space previously. Its one of the biggest corporate screw-ups in recent memory.

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