@Samwel
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It's no doubt that MicroSoft will do something to change the trend that PS3 is taking sales from the 360 slowly week by week.

The 360 was out first. Both the Wii and PS3 were out the next year. I'd argue that it's not just the PS3 taking sales but certainly the Wii is having it's own effect.

@Samwel

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Samwel wrote: @Lou Maybe they get 2000 polygons/sec without bump mapping and shadows? In low res (320x240) scaled to fit 720x576 (PAL) of course.

Play Star Wars Rgoue Squadron 3:Rebel Assault on the Gamecube. You won't be able to count on one hand enough Xbox games that visually surpass it.

They claim to have an updated engine. I would love to see them be the first to release a game with 3D glasses that phase a 480p 60fps display into two alternating 30fps 480p displays (one for each eye) and give the user a true 3D experience.

Singstar has a user petition drive going on because Sony promised over 350 songs at launch and delivered around 50.

@Samwel

Heres's some of Nintendo's Wii effect in the USA ..

Americas Top Ten Overall (2007)
Platform Publisher 2007 Sales
Wii Sports Wii : 7,224,099
Halo 3 Xbox 360: 4,626,646
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl DS: 4,401,363
Wii Play Wii: 3,903,475
Forza Motorsport 2 Xbox 360:2,358,809
Super Mario Galaxy Wii: 2,186,759
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock PS2: 2,096,867
Nintendogs DS: 2,067,477
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Xbox 360: 1,972,682
Mario Party 8 Wii: 1,876,348

I expect 2008 will produce at least 1 PS3 title on that list.

@BrianK

Personally I don't understand Wii.. I wouldn't touch it with gloves even.
I'd rather buy a PS2 (basically the same tech) with cheaper and more games,
with also argubly better games. The hardware is also cheaper.

I think people buy it because it's cheap and new. I know a few girl friends that
loves it though. Most guys/boys I know like 360 or PS3. To me it seems more
like a childs toy. With its softer side it appeals very well to women.
So I can truly understand it sells.. But I don't really compare it to PS3 or 360
which to me are the true next gen consoles.

DS and PSP is nothing I care about really. Handhelds aren't my kind of kit.
I can't understand how many people actually buy these.. Soon almost 100M
sold together.
IMO sales numbers of these shouldn't be compared with stationary consoles.

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@BrianK

I have bought Singstar. But I don't use it yet. I bought the version without mics.
I'm waiting for the wireless mics to be released.

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@Lou

Heh I was just kidding.

Sounds nice.. But aren't these high calculation type games/accessories better
suited for 360 or PS3 which both have multiple times higher CPU & gfx performance?

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Wii accident!

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=24803636

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@Lou

360 appears to still be popular in the US.
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According to NPD, Xbox 360 sold 1.3 million consoles in December alone, and has steadily widened the gap between Sony’s PlayStation 3 console sales. In December, NPD stated that Sony sold 798,000 PS3 hardware units. Since PS3’s launch in November 2006, Xbox 360 has outsold PS3 by nearly 2:1 on average, bringing a total U.S. Xbox 360 install base of 9.2 million consoles, compared to and installed base of 7.4 million Wii consoles and 3.3 million PS3 consoles.

According to NPD, of the top 20 best-selling titles in 2007 for this generation, 11 were on Xbox 360; seven were sold on the Wii and two sold on the PS3

To date, 33 third party games on Xbox 360 hit the top 10 list across all consoles compared to five third party games on PS3, and four on Wii.

In 2007, NPD projects that Halo 3 has sold 4.8 million units in the U.S.
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If I were Microsoft I'd keep enticing Japanese Developers but accept that Japan is a loss. However, these relationships need to be established for the next round of consoles. I think the big area Micrsoft needs to improve is European sales. Sony needs to improve it's USA sales.

The Wii appears to not be the only console that ran into shortages:
David Dennis, a Microsoft spokesman. "We had a great holiday, and we think we could have done better," he said, explaining that the company heard from some retailers that they were sold out of Xbox 360 during the last part of December and early January.

As a localized report Elites were near impossible to get, before Christmas the pro edition were gone. There were infrequently found Core models. What was around is most retailers seemed to have 2-4 Halo special editions. This model didn't include games. I'd hope some have a fire sale to get them off their shelves. Halo3 sold about 3/4M copies in Dec but I'd think it's mostly dead by now and no one wants the special edition consoles.

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@BrianK

- DS Lite: 2.47m 940K (61%)
- Wii: 1.35m 369K (38%) - Xbox 360: 1.26m 490K (64%)
- PS2: 1.1m 604K (122%)
- PSP: 1.06m 493K (87%)
- PS3: 797K 331 (71%

Hardware totals for 2007 (life-to-date in parentheses)

1. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Xbox 360) -- 1.47m


2. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) -- 1.40m


3. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) -- 1.25m


4. Wii Play w/ Remote (Wii) -- 1.08m


5. Assassin's Creed (Xbox 360) -- 894K


6. Halo 3 (Xbox 360) -- 743K


7. Brain Age 2 (DS) -- 660K


8. Madden NFL 08 (PS2) -- 655K


9. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Xbox 360) -- 625K


10. Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii) -- 613K

1. Halo 3 (Xbox 360) -- 4.82m


2. Wii Play w/ Remote (Wii) -- 4.12m


3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Xbox 360) -- 3.04m


4. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PS2) -- 2.72m


5. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) -- 2.52m


6. Pokémon Diamond (DS) -- 2.48m


7. Madden NFL 08 (PS2) -- 1.90m


8. Guitar Hero II (PS2) -- 1.89m


9. Assassin's Creed (Xbox 360) -- 1.87m


10. Mario Party 8 (Wii) -- 1.82m

@BrianK

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360 appears to still be popular in the US

Of course, we already knew that. What's more interesting is the PS3 was undertracked by VGChartz for than 100K with regard to December (their 360 figures were very accurate), combined with known (GfK) undertracking for at least France, PS3 user sales since the end of 2007 must be around 9 million. The PS3 seems on track to meet Sony's expectation for this fiscal year.

@MikeB

USA numbers were off about 20K for both.
Console - NPD - VGChartz - diff
PS3 - 797.6 - 775 - 2.8% under
360 - 1260 - 1289 - 2.3% over

So I think we are seeing a consistent error factor there an error is always - or +.

Also don't forget Wal-mart is a huge retailer and isn't reported in either NPD or VGChartz. That error factor is likely itself more then the -/+ 3% of VGChartz

@MikeB

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Of course, we already knew that. What's more interesting is the PS3 was undertracked by VGChartz for than 100K with regard to December (their 360 figures were very accurate), combined with known (GfK) undertracking for at least France, PS3 user sales since the end of 2007 must be around 9 million. The PS3 seems on track to meet Sony's expectation for this fiscal year.

So what happens when the PS3 finally reaches 10 million units? Then we celebrate that they are 0.5 of the way to Wii sales? You could come over and have a few while we play some Wii Bowling to celebrate.

If you send a picture of yourself I'll create a Mii character for you so you'll be all ready to go.

The WiiNinja

@BrianK

Look here

http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=778

The VGchartz data was off more than 100K, you fail to see that VGChartz reports sold for North America and the US data was for the United States only.

360 accuracy was 96%, PS3 accuracy was 88%.

@WiiNinja

The Wii is doing well (cheaper, like the PS2 IMO a better christmas gift for kids), but also due to the GameCube seeing as good as no support anymore. To a greater degree goes for the 360 as the original XBox saw its total demise a year earlier, according to analysts 90% of the people owning a 360 today upgraded from owning the original XBox.

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@MikeB

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The VGchartz data was off more than 100K, you fail to see that VGChartz reports sold for North America and the US data was for the United States only. 360 accuracy was 96%, PS3 accuracy was 88%.

Okay and again this brings up that VGChartz fails to provide an expected error of deviation. Both could have have the same deviation but the guesses they had to make on the 360 happened to be a bit more on. Also don't discount that NPD's numbers are not perfect either. They're missing data, about 30% of the market, and the numbers they carry are to their own errors. The real world numbers are what? What's NPD and VGChartz accuracy to those, that's what is important.

Basically the people hoping for a Xbox360 rulez conspiracy going on at VGChartz are exactly that, hoping. Without more data there's nothing mathematically at this time to show proof positive that VGChartz favors the 360 and is purposefully trying to make the PS3 look worse.

@BrianK

In any case the signs are clear, like I predicted last year the PS3 has outsold the 360 for christmas 2007 with clear enough figures, the PS3 is also performing better for the same period of availability.

Sony mainly experimented introducing new games, Resistance and Motorstorm have been very successful at this each selling well more than 2 million copies.

This year will be different as some very popular and highly anticipated exclusive sequels will hit the market. My prediction this year is that the PS3 will beat global Wii sales christmas 2008.

@MikeB
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In any case the signs are clear, like I predicted last year the PS3 has outsold the 360 for christmas 2007 with clear enough figures, the PS3 is also performing better for the same period of availability.

I don't see the clarity. The error factors on both VGChartz and NPD Dec. numbers show that in the USA the 360 clearly won. When talking about the world the numbers seem to be within each other's standard deviations. I'd say statistically they were equivalent.

Within the same time availability it does look like the PS3 has pulled ahead. It still has large inroads to make to catch up with the 360. I too thought the PS3 might surpass the 360 in 2008 but we've not had enough year to see how they are playing out. It would have been interesting to see how the PS3 had played out in it's original pricing and original configuration. I think we can safely agree not as well as they did.

It's also too early to say how this generation will end but my bet is if Sony wins the Sony's PS3 marketshare will be smaller then Sony's PS2 marketshare with Nintendo and Microsoft gaining market over their last gen, GC and Xbox, consoles.

Also I think the analysts off on the 90% of Xbox owners own a 360. If that's trully the market we'll see but a few small number of consoles in the USA and Europe this year. If we see the USA #s matching Japanese sales then likely they're right.

@BrianK

Based on NPD, GfK and Media Create data, the PS3 has beaten every week the 360 every week in December, ~200K for the month. IMO enough of a difference, it could well be 100K less or more.

@BrianK

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It would have been interesting to see how the PS3 had played out in it's original pricing and original configuration. I think we can safely agree not as well as they did.

Why? It was known from the start Sony would cost reduce the PS3. I think you can expect the same thing to happen this year.

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If that's trully the market we'll see but a few small number of consoles in the USA and Europe this year.

There are still at least 6 million XBox owners in the US which haven't upgraded yet, for Europe there also are at least 1 and a half million such users. But I still stand by my prediction the 360 will not come close to a 40 million installbase for its lifecycle.