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Ever popular The Escapist reviews MGS4

Last edited by BrianK on 26-Jun-2008 at 12:12 AM.

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BrianK wrote: How to stream NetFlix movies to the Xbox360 Ever popular The Escapist reviews MGS4

Is it REALLY 23 minutes from pressing start until the first cut scene is over? If so..argh.

The comments on the 'review' are pretty mixed, even a guy who loves the game agrees with the points, such as 'way too much FMV' (paraphrased).

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especially given the cutscenes (and thus no playability) for hours on end explaining a story as confusing as an amputee swan in a clown car.

I'll pass on it.

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Ever popular The Escapist reviews MGS4

Hehehe Spotted dick! snigger snigger

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Well MSG4 didn't stay at #1 too long in Japan. And what's up with the PSP crze lately?

01. Super Robot Wars A Portable (Bandai Namco, PSP) - 102,000
02. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Konami, PS3) - 68,000 / 533,000
03. Super Mario Stadium Family Baseball (Nintendo, Wii) - 58,000 NEW
04. Harulanaru Toki no Naka de 4 (Koei, PS2) - 55,000 NEW
05. Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo, Wii) - 33,000 / 1,477,000
06. Wii Fit (Nintendo, Wii) - 32,000 / 2,258,000
07. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (Capcom, PSP) - 21,000 / 2,224,000
08. Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 3 (Konami, PSP) - 19,000 / 206,000
09. Beautiful Letter Training (Nintendo, DS) - 18,000 / 302,000
10. Let's Make a Pro Baseball Team! (Sega, DS) - 11,000 / 96,000
11. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo)
12. [NDS] DS Misa Yamamura Suspense: Kyoto Murder Files (Tecmo)
13. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS: Seven Island Adventure (Bandai-Namco)
14. [NDS] Hisshou Pachinko/Pachislo Capture Series DS, Vol. 2 CR: Neon Genesis Evangelion: The Angels are Back Again (D3 Publisher)
15. [PS3] Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit (Bandai-Namco)
16. [WII] Family Trainer (Bandai-Namco)
17. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
18. [WII] Mysterious Dungeon: Fuurai no Shiren 3 (Sega)
19. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
20. [PSP] Valhalla Knights 2 (Marvelous Entertainment)
21. [NDS] We're Fossil Diggers (Nintendo)
22. [NDS] Empty Space Training (Benesse)
23. [NDS] Pokémon Ranger: Batonnage (Pokémon)
24. [NDS] Endless Frontier: Super Robot Wars OG Saga (Bandai-Namco)
25. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo)
26. [NDS] Puyo Puyo Special Price Sega)
27. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
28. [NDS] Pokemon Diamond (Pokemon)
29. [WII] Link's Crossbow Training (Nintendo)
30. [NDS] More TOEIC Test DS Training (IE Institute)

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Is it REALLY 23 minutes from pressing start until the first cut scene is over? If so..argh.

My bet is he included the time to do the 4GB copy from Blu-Ray to HDD. But as I'm not trying this game I can't say. Supposedly you can skip all the cut-scenes so you likely could get to gameplay w/o having to wait. MikeB claims the game is awesome so perhaps he can let you know if that 20minute # is semi-accurate.

@BrianK

It's satire, it feeds on exaggeration and sometimes trollish arguments.

Review of the 360 most important game, Halo 3.

IMO just laugh and enjoy this great game.

So, no response on 23 minutes, then?

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MikeyB loves the NeoGaf and this user claims :
8 Minutes = first install, when you start the game.
Each act installs w/
Act 2 - 3 mins
Act 3 - 3 mins
Act 4 - 2 mins
Act 5 - 1 min

A total of 18 minutes worth of HDD installs. Devil May Cry 4 forced you to do all of it in one chunk for over 20 minutes. Luckily I had my 360 so I could play some games while the all powerful PS3 gods were prepping their altar for me. But, seriously it's at least an improvement to make you do this between acts.

Though interestingly we see PS3 fans complaining that the 360 DVD limits games and may force DVD swaps and this would be awful to have to live through. Yet a DVD swap for me take under 1 minute -- clearly better then any MGS4 act load time. It could come on 3 DVDs and swaps would be 4 minutes not 18.

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Pictures of a K-Mart flyer for July 6th are floating around with a NEW LOW PRICE Xbox 360 w/20GB HDD for $299

...also rumors reappear about licensing Xbox 360 tech so that other companies can do integrations such as a BR player that plays 360 games...

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also rumors reappear about licensing Xbox 360 tech so that other companies can do integrations such as a BR player that plays 360 games...

I've seen this rumor as of late. Perhaps Microsoft is opening it up for others to manufacture. As Microsoft and Toshiba have had a good working relationships it's be interesting to see Toshiba (who btw manufactures Cell Processor) produce a Blu-Ray 360.

Microsoft has said they aren't going to make a Blu-Ray 360. Perhaps they are telling the truth and only partners will do this console?

The other thing to consider is the 360 is a great Media Center Extender. I can see that Dell or perhaps HP not reinventing the Media Extenders they had and instead manufacturing 360s in different cases.

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So, no response on 23 minutes, then?

Booting up the disc, snake takes a break for a 8 minute install time. In total it takes about 9 minutes to get to the start menu, a 5 minute skippable opening scene follows.

It total MGS4 has about 21 hours of gameplay and 9 hours of high quality skippable cutscenes. With regard to storage, the game uses realtime cutscenes which are relatively small, the bulk regards high quality audio.

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Luckily I had my 360 so I could play some games while the all powerful PS3 gods were prepping their altar for me.

The game overall has twice the loadtimes on the 360, especially for data located on the inner tracks. On the PS3 you will enjoy a more seamless experience and there's less screen tear.

But the real reason why the PS3 game is installed on the harddrive is because the game's file structure was optimised for DVD. The new and free CRI filesystem claims to be able to cut average loadtimes for such unoptimised multiplatform games by up to 60% for Blu-Ray disc.

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Though interestingly we see PS3 fans complaining that the 360 DVD limits games and may force DVD swaps and this would be awful to have to live through. Yet a DVD swap for me take under 1 minute -- clearly better then any MGS4 act load time. It could come on 3 DVDs and swaps would be 4 minutes not 18.

Kojima used the install to load game data faster (no pop-ins like in the big 360 games). MGS4 will not fit on 3 DVDs without big sacrifices and it won't solve Kojima's desire to use the harddrive.

Some new info with regard to the PS3 two biggest upcoming FPS games.

Resistance 2 is pushing for unique 60 player squad battles and 8 player co-op story campaign and huge boss battles.

One of the fast moving bosses is meanwhile revealed, it towers above Chicago skyscrapers:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm282/Danny-0/IMG_8346.jpg

With regard to Killzone 2 it has been revealed the game so far uses 4 and a half CPU cores, it's unknown if this means the game uses 1 PPU and 3 and a half SPUs or PPU plus 4 and a half SPUs, leaving at least 1 SPU unused so far considering 1 SPU is used for running parts of the PS3's operating system. Please note there is enormous potential for optimisations, a 360 launch game like Kameo used all of the Xenon's cores using up 85% of available CPU cycles.

GG games said they received some help and input from 3rd party Insomniac and Sony's God of War 3 team.

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With regard to MGS4, Konami already sold over 3 million copies worldwide of which well over 1 million copies were sold to retailers in Europe within 2 weeks.

For Japan MGS4 has become the best sold PS3 title within 2 weeks on the market, selling 544K to consumers. For these 2 weeks the PS3 outsold the 360 24 : 1, MGS4 already outsold the 360's best sold 360 game 2.6 to 1 (Blue Dragon) and the second best sold 360 game 5.4 to 1 (Dead or Alive 4).

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It total MGS4 has about 21 hours of gameplay and 9 hours of high quality skippable cutscenes.

Thanks for this detail. Wow I figured the ratio of video was lower then 1/3 of the content. OUCH! Again if people like the non-gaming video then good for them. We each have our preferences. I think I made the right decision by forgoing this one. Perhaps when it hits the used market for $15 then I'll pick it up.

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Thanks for this detail. Wow I figured the ratio of video was lower then 1/3 of the content. OUCH! Again if people like the non-gaming video then good for them. We each have our preferences. I think I made the right decision by forgoing this one. Perhaps when it hits the used market for $15 then I'll pick it up.

Yes the ratio of gameplay vs realtime cutscenes is less than 1/3. Mass Effect has about 1/3 of mandatory cutscenes as well as 1/3 of exploration and the action parts aren't solid, so not exactly your kind of game.

The cutscenes nearly all seem realtime, for example when you call Rose on the codec and shake your the controller this will shake her boobs. It almost seems like Kojima designed the game to upset 360 fanboys.

@Thread

This thread is so dull. An over emphasis on framerates/screenmodes/chip specs and NOT on actual games! Until the PS3 in the UK replaces the promised features of the Dualshock 3 and PS2 compatibility I'm just not interested. In fact ever since C&C Red Alert 3 was shelved for the PS3 I've almost entirely lost interest! The PS3 IS the better machine hardware wise, but that hasn't stopped M$ from getting marketing/product launch and software tools completely right!!!

If it wasn't for the red ring of death I don't think the PS3 would still be in the console race!

I have just picked up Wipeout Fusion on the PS2 in the bargain bins, so will continue to wait for the PS3 to fulfil its potential. 40Gb model with no PS2 compatibility and still no rumble pad might make Sony a profit but will do nothing to loosen my wallet

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MikeB wrote: @wegster Quote: So, no response on 23 minutes, then? Booting up the disc, snake takes a break for a 8 minute install time. In total it takes about 9 minutes to get to the start menu, a 5 minute skippable opening scene follows. It total MGS4 has about 21 hours of gameplay and 9 hours of high quality skippable cutscenes. With regard to storage, the game uses realtime cutscenes which are relatively small, the bulk regards high quality audio.

Not to mention some BR A/V footage streamed directly from the disc which takes no HDD space...

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MikeB wrote: With regard to MGS4, Konami already sold over 3 million copies worldwide of which well over 1 million copies were sold to retailers in Europe within 2 weeks. For Japan MGS4 has become the best sold PS3 title within 2 weeks on the market, selling 544K to consumers. For these 2 weeks the PS3 outsold the 360 24 : 1, MGS4 already outsold the 360's best sold 360 game 2.6 to 1 (Blue Dragon) and the second best sold 360 game 5.4 to 1 (Dead or Alive 4).

In the week following MSG4 in Japan, the PS3's hardware numbers return down to earthly levels:

PSP - 59,351
Wii - 41,037
Nintendo DS - 36,599
PlayStation 3 - 20,336
PlayStation 2 - 6,346
Xbox 360 - 2,555

Considering the PS3 was selling 10k-11k before MSG4, by my count MSG4 only mover les than 80K units in 2 weeks of that, 10k this past week. It, like every other big release **cough**GTA4**cough**, has not been much of a system seller.

People seem to be buying the PS3 as more of a movie player than games machine. It seems that the PS3 owners that do buy games already own machines and there are few "hardcore" fans who don't already own one.

A challenge for Sony is going to be to attract the casual crowd, but at $400...I don't see how that will happen...meanwhile a 20GB 360 is $299 starting next week...

Last edited by Lou on 27-Jun-2008 at 12:59 PM.