@treblesix

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treblesix wrote: @jkirk The church is power, and power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

true true
although i would change one word in that statement.
The church HAS power, and power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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@jkirk

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jkirk wrote: @treblesix Quote: treblesix wrote: @jkirk The church is power, and power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. true true although i would change one word in that statement. The church HAS power, and power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

That's what I thought I put lol, I'll change it
its lunch time, so time for a walk

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@jkirk

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jkirk wrote: @BrianK Quote: That's right we all hate each other's concept of God but really it's just a small thing afaik at least between judaic and christian religions the god in one is the same as the god in the other. the only thing of contention is judaic if they recognize him at all see jesus as a good man and still await the arrival of the son of god. in the muslim religion afaik the same god is worshipped but under a different name and the major prophet(similar to jesus christ) is also named differently. so there is not much difference between the three fundamentally where the get hung up on is the details. p.s. any muslim out there is what i say accurate? i don't know much about the muslem faith.

More or less correct I'd say. Something you won't know though: Muslims revere Mary mother of Jesus as much as the Catholic's do. Possibly more.

Islam and Christianity are just variations of Judaism.

Maybe you've all got it wrong, and the Holy Trinity is the 3 Semitic religions!

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jkirk wrote: afaik at least between judaic and christian religions the god in one is the same as the god in the other. the only thing of contention is judaic if they recognize him at all see jesus as a good man and still await the arrival of the son of god. in the muslim religion afaik the same god is worshipped but under a different name and the major prophet(similar to jesus christ) is also named differently. so there is not much difference between the three fundamentally where the get hung up on is the details. p.s. any muslim out there is what i say accurate? i don't know much about the muslem faith.

Okay, while not at all claiming any real authority on the matter I am under the impression that Moslems see themselves worshipping the same God as do the Jews and the Christians, it's just that they follow the last true Prophet of God. In times past Islam even referred to followers of Judaism and Christianity as 'Brothers of the Book'.

Some Moslems even go as far as to regard Jesus Christ not as the Son of God, but as one of God's prophets. This is the reason why Salman Rushdie ended up in so much hot water with Ayatollah Khomeini back in the 80's after his book 'The Satanic Verses' was published, and which was seen as being a slam against Jesus Christ.



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@DJRJ

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DJRJ wrote: Quote: jkirk wrote: afaik at least between judaic and christian religions the god in one is the same as the god in the other. the only thing of contention is judaic if they recognize him at all see jesus as a good man and still await the arrival of the son of god. in the muslim religion afaik the same god is worshipped but under a different name and the major prophet(similar to jesus christ) is also named differently. so there is not much difference between the three fundamentally where the get hung up on is the details. p.s. any muslim out there is what i say accurate? i don't know much about the muslem faith. Okay, while not at all claiming any real authority on the matter I am under the impression that Moslems see themselves worshipping the same God as do the Jews and the Christians, it's just that they follow the last true Prophet of God. In times past Islam even referred to followers of Judaism and Christianity as 'Brothers of the Book'. Some Moslems even go as far as to regard Jesus Christ not as the Son of God, but as one of God's prophets. This is the reason why Salman Rushdie ended up in so much hot water with Ayatollah Khomeini back in the 80's after his book 'The Satanic Verses' was published, and which was seen as being a slam against Jesus Christ. Doug

Mr Rushdie got in trouble because he wrote a novel where a "prophet" wrote an entire holy book under instruction of the devil. Similar to a story in the Quran where Muhammed was inspired by satan regarding three idols worshipped by the arabs (who were all pagan back then). Ayatollah Khomeni didn't like it so ordered the execution of Rushdie, the sadi Fatwa on his life.

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nicholas wrote: Mr Rushdie got in trouble because he wrote a novel where a "prophet" wrote an entire holy book under instruction of the devil. Similar to a story in the Quran where Muhammed was inspired by satan regarding three idols worshipped by the arabs (who were all pagan back then). Ayatollah Khomeni didn't like it so ordered the execution of Rushdie, the sadi Fatwa on his life.

Okay, I'll bow to your superior kung-fu, or something like that.



Doug

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You know that pretty sound you play when the computer starts?
You need another one to play when the computer is actually ready to use.
Maybe add more for malfunctions and then we'll have music all day.

Still no Bilsey? Oh well. I have an idea, how about chapel.amigaworld.net a place for Bilsey and all his flock.

Moderated by Wiffy, reason: borderline comment being edited out to allow the thread to be returned to free-for-all.

@ Wiffy

Is the database being pulled apart by this thread? It would figure, as religion destroys most things we have accomplished.

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@DJRJ

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DJRJ wrote: Quote: nicholas wrote: Mr Rushdie got in trouble because he wrote a novel where a "prophet" wrote an entire holy book under instruction of the devil. Similar to a story in the Quran where Muhammed was inspired by satan regarding three idols worshipped by the arabs (who were all pagan back then). Ayatollah Khomeni didn't like it so ordered the execution of Rushdie, the sadi Fatwa on his life. Okay, I'll bow to your superior kung-fu, or something like that. Doug

My secondary school had a majority Islamic student population. Must have rubbed off on me!

I have got a copy of the Quran on my bookshelf, so i can refer to that during heated internet debates too.

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@nicholas

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nicholas wrote: @jkirk Maybe you've all got it wrong, and the Holy Trinity is the 3 Semitic religions!

Hmmmmm...............me thinks............maybe?

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@jkirk

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jkirk wrote: @nicholas Quote: nicholas wrote: @jkirk Maybe you've all got it wrong, and the Holy Trinity is the 3 Semitic religions! Hmmmmm...............me thinks............maybe?

Judochrislam anyone? Group hug now!

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@nicholas



hug hug

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@jkirk

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jkirk wrote: @nicholas hug hug

Shouldn't that be "hug hug hug"? That's were the trouble starts when you accidently leave one party out. Best to cover all bases and nip it in the bud at the beginning if we are to successfully re-unite ALL three religions.

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@jkirk

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afaik at least between judaic and christian religions the god in one is the same as the god in the other

Never said it wasn't I said 'concept of God'.

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only thing of contention is judaic if they recognize him at all see jesus as a good man and still await the arrival of the son of god

Which backups up my statement ' concept of God'.

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @jkirk Quote: afaik at least between judaic and christian religions the god in one is the same as the god in the other Never said it wasn't I said 'concept of God'. Quote: only thing of contention is judaic if they recognize him at all see jesus as a good man and still await the arrival of the son of god Which backups up my statement ' concept of God'.

maybe we are talking two different things but as i understand it the concept of god is the same. it is the rest of the beliefs that don't match up. some aspects of beliefs overlap the 3 religions some don't.

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@nicholas

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nicholas wrote: @jkirk Quote: jkirk wrote: @nicholas hug hug Shouldn't that be "hug hug hug"? That's were the trouble starts when you accidently leave one party out. Best to cover all bases and nip it in the bud at the beginning if we are to successfully re-unite ALL three religions.

sorry

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@jkirk

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maybe we are talking two different things but as i understand it the concept of god is the same. it is the rest of the beliefs that don't match up. some aspects of beliefs overlap the 3 religions some don't.

A colleague of mine is a deeply religious Muslim, and is a very tolerant and respectful of others beliefs. He basically sees Judaism, Christianity and Islam as the same religion.

He says Moses messages from God were corrupted by man, so Jesus was sent by God to show people the error of their ways, then Jesus messages from God were further corrupted by man so God sent the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed to dictate word for word the literal message of God in the form of the Quran so that there would be no further corruption of his message. Hence why the Quran has never been translated from Arabic, only "interpreted" by man onto other languages for reference purposes and these interpretations are supposed to be accompanied by the original Arabic text for completeness.

It's also worth bearing in mind that Mohammed was illiterate, and the written form of Arabic used in the Quran was not the same arabic spoken by Mohammed.

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@nicholas

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He says Moses messages from God were corrupted by man, so Jesus was sent by God to show people the error of their ways, then Jesus messages from God were further corrupted by man so God sent the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed to dictate word for word the literal message of God in the form of the Quran so that there would be no further corruption of his message. Hence why the Quran has never been translated from Arabic, only "interpreted" by man onto other languages for reference purposes and these interpretations are supposed to be accompanied by the original Arabic text for completeness

Seems familar as God sent Angels to Joseph Smith and Mormonism was formed.

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @nicholas Quote: He says Moses messages from God were corrupted by man, so Jesus was sent by God to show people the error of their ways, then Jesus messages from God were further corrupted by man so God sent the Angel Gabriel to Mohammed to dictate word for word the literal message of God in the form of the Quran so that there would be no further corruption of his message. Hence why the Quran has never been translated from Arabic, only "interpreted" by man onto other languages for reference purposes and these interpretations are supposed to be accompanied by the original Arabic text for completeness Seems familar as God sent Angels to Joseph Smith and Mormonism was formed.

God sent angels to me when I was 18 and sat in the chill out arena at a rave.

Mind you, I had taken 12 E's, 4 gram's of whizz, half a trip, and several lines of coke. Did I mention the Jack Daniels too?

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and for the 320th post on this thread: Jesus on e's thats was a good demo!

See what I did there, made the Free for All section and the rest of the site become less defined. Oh how I can influence your minds, just sitting at this desk.

Edit: Can't count....

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