@Lou

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Remember, there is no problem. There was never a problem. Anyone who told you there was a problem is a 360 fanboy...

You know that ANY change made to the firmware would need it to be called
2.41 rather than 2.40 even if no locking/freezing bug was fixed?
So no need to be sarcastic. Even though MikeB is a bit silly saying the reports
were made by a few 360 fanboy's. Especially since it's quite hard to report
a problem without owning a PS3.

I did read somewhere that there was a bug in the firmware download/install
mechanism causing some machines to corrupt files on the harddrive.
If this is true I don't know as it wasn't an official comment.

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@Lou

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Nintendo seems to be shipping more units of everything to Europe because of the weakening dollar...

LOL you have answers for every Nintendo problem.

Can it rather be that Nintendo is more popular in the US? They only buy cheap
stuff over there (the masses I mean). A console needs to be below 250$ to appeal
to a large portion of the consumers in the States and below 200$ to really succeed
with the masses.
Then after the initial success it sells by word of mouth because people want what
their friends got... Which is what Nintendo is doing now...

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@Samwel

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Even though MikeB is a bit silly saying the reports were made by a few 360 fanboy's.

Please don't put words into my mouth, I actually stated the opposite. Please reread.

However the vast majority of people did not experience problems. Use google news and you will see many US media reports claiming many users experienced problems and use words like disaster. That's what I was countering.

@MikeB

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Use google news and you will see many US media reports claiming many users experienced problems and use words like disaster. That's what I was countering.

Sensationalism sells it's the sad state of today's US 'journalism'.

@Samwel

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Samwel wrote: @Lou Quote: Nintendo seems to be shipping more units of everything to Europe because of the weakening dollar... LOL you have answers for every Nintendo problem. Can it rather be that Nintendo is more popular in the US? They only buy cheap stuff over there (the masses I mean). A console needs to be below 250$ to appeal to a large portion of the consumers in the States and below 200$ to really succeed with the masses. Then after the initial success it sells by word of mouth because people want what their friends got... Which is what Nintendo is doing now...

Well, you're either saying it's selling ridiculously well in the US...AND it's selling ridiculously well in Europe as it's always at the top of the charts, but that fact is that Nintendo has been shipping more units to Europe has been documented with the release of WiiFit as well. It's not my answer, but the answer.

When a Wii costs $250 in the US and 250Euro in Europe, you tell me where Nintendo is making more money given the exchange rates?

Since February atleast...
http://kotaku.com/374381/pachter-wii-shortage-blame-the-lousy-us-dollar

ps,
This isn't a Nintendo problem, but a Lou problem as I want the game and can't buy it...

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@Samwel

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Samwel wrote: @Lou Quote: Remember, there is no problem. There was never a problem. Anyone who told you there was a problem is a 360 fanboy... You know that ANY change made to the firmware would need it to be called 2.41 rather than 2.40 even if no locking/freezing bug was fixed? So no need to be sarcastic. Even though MikeB is a bit silly saying the reports were made by a few 360 fanboy's. Especially since it's quite hard to report a problem without owning a PS3. I did read somewhere that there was a bug in the firmware download/install mechanism causing some machines to corrupt files on the harddrive. If this is true I don't know as it wasn't an official comment.

Here's an official comment:
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Sony has confirmed that PS3 firmware update 2.41 is now available for download. Last week Sony was forced to withdraw update 2.4 following technical issues on the day of release. In a post on the US PlayStation blog, PSN boss Eric Lempel has stated the update was recalled "because, for a limited number of users, the XMB wouldn't display after the update was installed". The problem has been fixed, according to Lempel. "We want to extend our apologies to the PlayStation community for any inconvenience," he wrote. The update brings XMB and Trophy features to the PlayStation 3.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-releases-2-41-firmware-for-ps3

@thread,

Have installed update 2.41 and it seems to work OK. I had no issues with 2.40 anyway.

Glad Sony got it sorted, but I wonder why it broke some peoples PS3's???

Wonder if we will ever find out.

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Now I know why MS reduced the price of the 20GB 360 Pro...
...
...
to make room for the new 60GB version...
http://kotaku.com/5023191/the-60gb-360-rumor-rides-again

A standalone 60GB drive will be sold for $100 and include a headset and 3 months of Live Gold.

I assume this means the price of this new "Pro" model will be back up to $350, where as the old 20GB Pro is discounted to $300...

@MikeB

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Please don't put words into my mouth, I actually stated the opposite. Please reread. "It looks to have been a few isolated incidents and some fanboys and US media dragged the issue way out of proportions."

Sorry I took your statement as you meant 360 fanboys.. Maybe you meant Wii fanboys
aswell?`

EDIT: And yes I know you mentioned the media aswell.. But IMO uneccessary to
add the fanboy stuff.. That's just silly. As silly as when others bring up this "big"
problem for the PS3. And like you dragging up the RRoD stuff ALL the time when
talking about 360.

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@Lou

Yeah I have read the statements regarding the 2.41 firmware update.
Although we never got to know the reason 2.40 failed for a selected few.

My comment was a general one regarding higher version number in
a rerelease of 2.40. They did indeed put in a few new features so they
would have had to call it 2.41 even if no bug was fixed..

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Why 2.40 broke...

"In an official statement issued to ThreeSpeech, SCEE explains the problem with firmware 2.40. It seems that there was a problem which "prevented a limited number of PS3s from activating properly after updating to version 2.40, when certain system administrative data were contained on the HDD." This has now been fixed with 2.41, though those who suffer from the problem (which prevents the PS3 from loading up the XMB) will not be able to access the new firmware update."

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@Samwel

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Samwel wrote: @MikeB Quote: Please don't put words into my mouth, I actually stated the opposite. Please reread. "It looks to have been a few isolated incidents and some fanboys and US media dragged the issue way out of proportions." Sorry I took your statement as you meant 360 fanboys.. Maybe you meant Wii fanboys aswell?` EDIT: And yes I know you mentioned the media aswell.. But IMO uneccessary to add the fanboy stuff.. That's just silly. As silly as when others bring up this "big" problem for the PS3. And like you dragging up the RRoD stuff ALL the time when talking about 360.

Bravo! This site should add a comment ratings system.

@Samwel

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Samwel wrote: Why 2.40 broke... "In an official statement issued to ThreeSpeech, SCEE explains the problem with firmware 2.40. It seems that there was a problem which "prevented a limited number of PS3s from activating properly after updating to version 2.40, when certain system administrative data were contained on the HDD." This has now been fixed with 2.41, though those who suffer from the problem (which prevents the PS3 from loading up the XMB) will not be able to access the new firmware update."

I guess those affected will have to send it in or use the reformatting method mentioned earlier...

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@Lou

Another mentioned fix is to borrow/buy another harddrive, use it to upgrade, and
then insert the old drive back. This has been confirmed to work.
This way a user won't loose any saved data.

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@all

http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/the-conduit/videos/raptorignne.html
http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/the-conduit/videos/conduit_trailer_051608.html

This NEW footage of The Conduit for the Wii makes me a believer in the developer's claims. The future of FPS games on the Wii looks bright....real bright!

@Lou

Conduit graphics seem to be a comic-book style? I'm sure the art work fits the storyline. Hopefully, the Wii can do other stylings equally as well otherwise being a cartoon in every FPS will get old quickly. Overall looks nice. I'll have to encourage my Wii friends to buy it so I can play it.

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Lou Conduit graphics seem to be a comic-book style? I'm sure the art work fits the storyline. Hopefully, the Wii can do other stylings equally as well otherwise being a cartoon in every FPS will get old quickly. Overall looks nice. I'll have to encourage my Wii friends to buy it so I can play it.

One of my critcisms in early screens was the shadows...in the first video link, you can see that they've tightened that up. Polygon counts are high, textures are good, effects are all there, framerate is locked at 30fps...they were shooting for 60 but with all the effects they wanted to achieve, it simply wasn't possible, however I don't expect if to dip like alot of "next-gen" fps games on platforms I will not mention...

Basically, this game does everything they said the Wii couldn't do in real-time...

I don't agree with the "cartoony" comment as with any "futuristic" setting, there is no real-world texturing that can be applied as the objects in question simply don't exist, so when a laser light is gloving through the player's futuristic armor suit, it will always look less than realistic...

I really like the "organic" alien weaponry that the player can use...

Fable 2 confirmed that -- "non-interactive cinematics take up less than five minutes of game time" as well mention that no HUD will be used to "streamline the experience as much as possible. Story telling w/o relying on cinema? YEAH

@BrianK

Congrats, I guess.....

Killzone 2 however will feature short 100% realtime cinematic cutscenes using techniques used only in non-realtime movies such as the Lords of the Rings and Starwars. In game, the game also uses some realtime raytracing techniques previously impossible to do in a video game.

For some awesome footage and details on the techniques used to make this game take a look at this 1up show video, the Killzone 2 part start at about 19:30.

GV: http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/19886
Podcast: http://download.gamevideos.com/Podcasts/071108.m4v
WMV: http://download.gamevideos.com/Podca...06_640x360.wmv
MOV: http://download.gamevideos.com/Podca...06_640x360.mov

Next gen gaming will be here soon.

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Why is there there still no wipeout hd or home in ps3 store? Both titles should have been released ages ago and i am sick and tired of waiting for wipeout hd now.
My ps3 is still basically collecting dust due to lack of games. i love racing games of all kinds, but there is not a single ps3 exclusive title worth having so far. There are a few decent racers, but they also exist on the xbox and performs worse on the ps3.

@MikeB

Getting abit sloppy there Mike.

Starts around 24:43,
24:45; Story boards
25:02; Approval
25:06; Motion capture

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Killzone 2 however will feature short 100% realtime cinematic cutscenes using techniques used only in non-realtime movies such as the Lords of the Rings and Starwars.

They talk about motion capture and techniques to obtain them. There's nothing about "raytracing".

Transcript
We use pretty advance form of motion capture, we use not only the body movement, we use fingers and facial. We also capture the final voice instead of dubbing it, we are actually treating it like an action film set. It all implemented back into the game engine; so its actually real game engine that runs the cut scene cinematic; it not pre-rendered … …

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