@Lou

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Capcom had no problem selling 1.5M copies if RE4.

Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube was released in the GameCube's final year on the market. It already had near a 20 million install base.

@wegster

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I'd be curious to know total Live sales/income versus what Sony has sold on PSN...any numbers out there? (for a fair comparison, it would ideally be content only, but then again, income *is* income..)

In any case Playstation Home Beta generated well over 1 million dollars of virtual goods sales already.

@ Wegster

Some food for thought:

The PlayStation 3 is "still in its early adopter phase", John Koller, director of hardware marketing at SCEA, said that the kind of person who was interested in the PS3 was "tech-oriented" and that for them, the console's main appeal was its "multi-functionality".

He said: "2009 will be the year of big, exclusive PS3 titles."

Sounds like the early adopter phase is nearly over, like I said before I anticipate a cheaper slimmer PS3 for this year.

@MikeB

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In any case Playstation Home Beta generated well over 1 million dollars of virtual goods sales already

It appears the least purchased item is the $15 movie .

Weren't you complaining about how video rentals ruin the middleman? How much more does the sale of intangible goods ruin the whole production, delivery, to the service chain? Certainly the $7 virtual T-Shirt has less economic impact than a $7 physically real T-Shirt.

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He said: "2009 will be the year of big, exclusive PS3 titles."

Wait didn't you say this about 2008 and they came in 3rd?

The PS3 is in the early adopter phase because Sony refused to make their pricing market competitive. That's why they are 3rd. 2009 will be the year of the big PS3 price cut!

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#1-4 cross platforms
First 360 console exclusive #5
First PS3 console exclusive #8
First Wii console exclusive #11 Madworld -- which I think looks really cool.

360's top 45 anticpated games

@BrianK

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It appears the least purchased item is the $15 movie .

What 15 dollar movie?

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Weren't you complaining about how video rentals ruin the middleman?

No that wasn't me.

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Certainly the $7 virtual T-Shirt has less economic impact than a $7 physically real T-Shirt.

Yes.

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Wait didn't you say this about 2008 and they came in 3rd?

Most agree the PS3 had the best line-up for 2008, but had no price cut. Both have affect on sales, one positive and one negative.

@BrianK

Both your links point to the same user posting. It's not a study or anything and the bulk of those 360 games he listed are to be on the PS3 as well.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Lou Quote: Capcom had no problem selling 1.5M copies if RE4. Resident Evil 4 for the GameCube was released in the GameCube's final year on the market. It already had near a 20 million install base.

That does nothing to support your point. You claimed 20+million kiddies. The PS2 version did not sell better given the userbase of the PS2. So do 130 million kiddies own a PS2?

@BrianK

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Blu-Ray did go cheaper this Christmas. Deals could be found for a $200 player +5 free movies. Another way to look at this is under $100 for the player + buy 5 movies. If you were up for a DVD player this would be an attractive offer. You get next gen at close to DVD price. However, this did little for the PS3. Low Blu-Ray players go against the PS3, IMO.

Blu-ray went cheaper, but so did DVD players. $35 or less. When my friend had a DVD player die in his basement a few weeks ago he bought the $35 DVD player, not some $200+ Blu-ray player. The general consumer at large is not willing to buy $200 plus Blu-ray players on average.

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Taking equal time frames the PS3 is well ahead of the 360, this despite higher entry pricing and fewer of its most anticipated games on the market early on.

Thats meaningless. What is meaningful is that in 2009, given where all the platforms are at who has the best prospects going forward with each of their respective platforms. Thats not Sony.

Anyone given enough time and effort can come up with real statistics that at first glance seem impactful, when they are not at all given the big picture in the present day. Thats what you do here, over and over.

Instead of analyzing data to see the real situation you instead start with the goal of "I want to paint Sony in the best light", and then you compile tidbits that at first glance do that. But its all smoke and mirrors. Who are you trying to sell here? Aren't you better served doing this on boards where people are not already tech savy if you want to gain Sony followers or whatever??

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@MikeB

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Most agree the PS3 had the best line-up for 2008, but had no price cut. Both have affect on sales, one positive and one negative.

"Most"? Thats laughable. It was good to see things like MGS 4 and Resistance 2. But Xbox 360 by the same token has Fable II and Gears of War 2.

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@Lou

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That does nothing to support your point. You claimed 20+million kiddies. The PS2 version did not sell better given the userbase of the PS2. So do 130 million kiddies own a PS2?

You read what you want to read, but not what was stated. Nintendo research indicated a vast majority of GameCube purchases were for kids. For of all within that timespan many kids will have matured into becoming teens. Secondly a vast majority does not mean everyone.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @wegster Quote: Next, will you say instead renting at raped prices from Sony on demand is somehow 'better' than via Netflix streaming? Netflix and Sony's video store are different, consumers buy actual ownership of the download. I am not claiming their video store makes a considerable positive impact on the economy. Quote: Additionally, what makes you think HD content streamed by Netflix is any less HD than your precious BD discs? Most of their videos are sub-DVD quality, their HD movies even for optimal conditions are well below HDTV broadcast quality. There are a huge amount of complaints with regard to their streaming quality. Just use google if you don't believe me. * 16 kbit/s – videophone quality (minimum necessary for a consumer-acceptable "talking head" picture) * 128 – 384 kbit/s – business-oriented video conferencing system quality * 1.25 Mbit/s – VCD quality * 5 Mbit/s – DVD quality * 15 Mbit/s – HDTV broadcasting quality * 36 Mbit/s – HD DVD quality * 54 Mbit/s – Blu-ray Disc quality

1. Regarding the actual way businesses work. Ok, you don't define success in any way that involves businesses keeping running, and basically side-stepped what constitutes success,' while referencing 'compared to PS1 sales.' Nice.

2. NetFlix streaming has improved since it's introduction of the Roku and other boxes. Your max transfer rates are another sidestep, IMO. Max transfer rate is irrelevant, when it only rakes the 'cost' of 1080i or 1080p versus frame rate, for the intended purpose. I won't say there's no difference today in a BD (or HD DVD, which would be just as good for displaying movies) vs streaming solutions, but the gap is narrowing, and for many is certainly 'close enough' now and in the near future.

3. Sony On Demand also allows for rentals, not just outright purchases. Until recently, NetFlix also sold media, and we may well see that return via streamed purchases.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @wegster Quote: I'd be curious to know total Live sales/income versus what Sony has sold on PSN...any numbers out there? (for a fair comparison, it would ideally be content only, but then again, income *is* income..) In any case Playstation Home Beta generated well over 1 million dollars of virtual goods sales already.

And what did advertising alone cost, let alone R&D for Home?

It's funny how you never present the *entire* equation.

Wanna bet Home has lost significant money overall? I can guarantee 1 million is a drop in the bucket versus actual costs of getting Home to where it is today.

Still don't see numbers comparing PSN to Live, though, which is of much more interest here..
(regardless of whatever that may show)

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @ Wegster Some food for thought: The PlayStation 3 is "still in its early adopter phase", John Koller, director of hardware marketing at SCEA, said that the kind of person who was interested in the PS3 was "tech-oriented" and that for them, the console's main appeal was its "multi-functionality". He said: "2009 will be the year of big, exclusive PS3 titles." Sounds like the early adopter phase is nearly over, like I said before I anticipate a cheaper slimmer PS3 for this year.

We've heard this before, and it does nothing to invalidate prior discussion that you chose to ignore.

We don't have definitive lifecycle of the PS3, nor Wii or 360 at this time. If Sony continues to believe the PS3 will remain competitive against the next gen of XBox and Wii, for an extended period of time, they will have lost the war ultimately.

Having said that, I believe 2009 will be interesting for consoles, as well as video on demand, and Sony does have a chance to get themselves out of last place.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @BrianK Quote: Weren't you complaining about how video rentals ruin the middleman? No that wasn't me.

This wasn't you, then:
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Netflix cuts out the middle man (retailer) and thus isn´t very good for the economy, besides that people don´t actually own the paid for content and it´s of far lower quality than BluRay. I don´t think it´s much of a direct competitor.

From here:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=27068&forum=4&start=460&viewmode=flat&order=0#473177

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@wegster

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wegster wrote: @MikeB This wasn't you, then: Quote: Netflix cuts out the middle man (retailer) and thus isn´t very good for the economy, besides that people don´t actually own the paid for content and it´s of far lower quality than BluRay. I don´t think it´s much of a direct competitor. From here: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=27068&forum=4&start=460&viewmode=flat&order=0#473177

I suspect he'll fall back on his later statement that he meant Netflix streaming only rather than other rental services. And he'll likely cite that BrianK did not say Netflix at all, but a more general "video rentals" which implies multiple vendors. Of course he could have answered with the more direct "no thats not quite what I said" instead of "No that wasn't me."

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fairlanefastback wrote: @wegster I suspect he'll fall back on his later statement that he meant Netflix streaming only rather than other rental services. And he'll likely cite that BrianK did not say Netflix at all, but a more general "video rentals" which implies multiple vendors. Of course he could have answered with the more direct "no thats not quite what I said" instead of "No that wasn't me."

Good call, it's almost scripted.

Wait, Mike, are you a bot?

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@MikeB

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Both your links point to the same user posting.

100 anticpated games of 2009

@fairlanefastback

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Blu-ray went cheaper, but so did DVD players. $35 or less. When my friend had a DVD player die in his basement a few weeks ago he bought the $35 DVD player, not some $200+ Blu-ray player. The general consumer at large is not willing to buy $200 plus Blu-ray players on average.

Undoubtabley $200 isn't a great price for Blu-Ray. But, with the price being more than 50% less than last Christmas and 5 free movies thrown in Blu-Ray was relatively popular. 2009 is sure to bring less expensive Blu-Ray media and players.