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For once, I'm speechless!

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @polka. Quote: This coming from someone whose expectations regarding PS3 sales and PS3 use for 3rd party OS have been proven wrong on so many occasions. Read above. And with regard to "3rd party OS", what are you talking about?

Promoting PS3 as AOS4's target platform. Sony is not serious on advancing Linux.

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@MikeB

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The RSX by itself is a low spec (but still decent) GPU compared to other GPU cards which often cost more than the entire PS3 with all its extras.

DX10 8 ROPs class GPUs cost less than PS3's $299 asking price.

http://www.pricewatch.com/browse/video_cards/radeon_hd_4670
Radeon HD 4670, Price $68.98

http://www.pricewatch.com/browse/video_cards/geforce_9500_gt
GeForce 9500 GT (re-spin Geforce 8600GT) 512MB, Price $47.98
Runs Crysis Warhead PC at medium details (with physics and textures on high) and 1280x720p. GeForce 9500 GT easily runs multi-platform HD (720p) games e.g. Prototype, Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter IV, H.A.W.K, Unreal Tournament 3, Mass Effect, Devil MayCry 4, Grid Race Driver and 'etc'. The problem is with PC exclusives e.g. ARMA, Crysis. In general, Radeon HD 2600/36x0 and Geforce 8600GT/9500GT yields around ATI Xenos level performance.

Radeon HD 4670 (320 SP) is powerfull enough to run Crysis Warhead PC at high details and 1280x720p. Compute power rivals the former top end Radeon HD 3870 (320 SP).

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@Hammer

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Promoting PS3 as AOS4's target platform. Sony is not serious on advancing Linux.

I think advocating is the better word. Cheap, powerful, widely available, proper support, etc.

I still like to see the PS3 supported by OS4, multiple times more PS3s out there which would be capable than all Amiga models combined.

@Hammer

RE: GeForce 9500GT for $48. One online store has a 9600 GSO (re-spin Geforce 8800 ) for $35 after rebate. Both clearly beat the RSX (7900 series) at a price point much below the entire PS3.

The added benefit -- one can run an Amiga on one.

Cool Uncharted 2 Among Thieves features:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG5kwtsDXfE&feature=sub

Cool new firmware update available tomorrow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2t4O8ygqFY

Developer update on upcoming PS3 motion tech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4i2LfQAb0

God of War 1 & 2 remake Blu-Ray coming to PS3:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/31/god-of-war-collection-blu-ray-disc-compilation-available-this-holiday-season/#more-15448

Home is getting an update soon as well:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/19/playstation-home-v1-3-coming-this-september/

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Hammer RE: GeForce 9500GT for $48. One online store has a 9600 GSO (re-spin Geforce 8800 ) for $35 after rebate. Both clearly beat the RSX (7900 series) at a price point much below the entire PS3. The added benefit -- one can run an Amiga on one.

There's two Geforce 9600 GSO versions.

1. Geforce 9600 GSO (G92-150) is a 96 SP@1375 MHz with 192-bit bus version i.e.
re-spin Geforce 8800 GS.

2. GeForce 9600 GSO 512 (G94?) is a 48 SP@1625Mhz with 256-bit bus version.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Hammer Quote: Promoting PS3 as AOS4's target platform. Sony is not serious on advancing Linux. I think advocating is the better word. Cheap, powerful, widely available, proper support, etc. I still like to see the PS3 supported by OS4, multiple times more PS3s out there which would be capable than all Amiga models combined.

Same argument can be made for MacMini PPC. For the future advancement, both have limited options i.e.
1. Close hardware platform.
2. Hardware not being manufactured.

PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii don’t advance the commodity PPC market.

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Quality of Wii games is improving as developers take the platform seriously:

@Hammer

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PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii don’t advance the commodity PPC market.

Beggars can't be choosers! We need AOS4.x on as many mass market CE electronic appliances as possible , as soon as possible! Whether it be PS3, YDL Towers, underpowered Sam hardware or ancient Apple PPC hardware. Get it done, get the profits coming in and THEN start thinking about advancing the commodity PPC market! There's no fututure unless Hyperion maximise profits now!

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@Hammer

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There's two Geforce 9600 GSO versions. 1. Geforce 9600 GSO (G92-150) is a 96 SP@1375 MHz with 192-bit bus version i.e. re-spin Geforce 8800 GS.

Good to know. The $35 is this version.

@MikeB

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God of War 1 & 2 remake Blu-Ray coming to PS3:

Perhaps this is the new Sony model? Instead of Backwards Compatibility, BC, have the vendors 'freshen' the content for the PS3. Then sell the game a 2nd time. IMO, this is less user friendly and more vendor profit driven than what BC might provide.

@BrianK

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Perhaps this is the new Sony model? Instead of Backwards Compatibility, BC, have the vendors 'freshen' the content for the PS3. Then sell the game a 2nd time. IMO, this is less user friendly and more vendor profit driven than what BC might provide.

Rape and pillage its existing customer base! That's what Sony is all about now! We're made to suffer for their poor decision making and financial losses! I really hope they get burnt bad for this. There's 'Slim' chance they'll dig themselves out the red with this one!

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@MikeB

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I think advocating is the better word. Cheap, powerful, widely available, proper support, etc.

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I still like to see the PS3 supported by OS4, multiple times more PS3s out there which would be capable than all Amiga models combined.

I disagree, and believe the PS3 is a dead end.

The PS3 losses are killing off Sony and that’s a shame.

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The maker of Bravia flat-panel TVs and Cyber-shot digital cameras lost over a billion dollars last fiscal year, its first annual red ink in 14 years. It is forecasting an even worse 120 billion yen ($1.3 billion) loss for the fiscal year through March 2010.

Link to the full sad story

The new lower cost PS3 might help stop the losses, it won’t make up for the money spent on the PS3 project. Time to move on IMHO.

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@Interesting

First loss in 14 years? You do understand Sony performed much better than other Japanese electronics companies and they own well more assets than Microsoft? It's a huge company that's here to stay.

Every kind of computer hardware so far has become a dead end eventually.

PS3 Slim is still #1 on Amazon Best Sellers, Xbox 360 Elite is moving down fast. The future should be very interesting. The future will tell if PS3 is a success of failure, we enjoy ours. PS3 has many exclusive games like a nice remake of Lemmings and Super Stardust. The current installed base is around.

Wii = 50 million

Xbox = 30 million

PS3 = 24 million

The Xbox 360 came out a full year before PS3 and everyone we know has two of them just in case they get a RRoD they still have one system while the other is repaired. That means PS3 units and Xbox 360 units are about even. That quote is not from us but from Windows Weekly a MS friendly podcast. We can get you the episode link if you want to hear them say it for yourself.

We just did the PS3 3.0 firmware update today and PS3 looks even cooler. It is not just a game system but also a excellent Blu-ray player and a great photo and music device. Anyone that has not given the PS3 a try should. RJ Mical of Amiga fame is working on it and it's very Amiga like.

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@DiscreetFX

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Xbox = 30 million

31 million (as of August 27, 2009)[1] )

1. Link

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RJ Mical of Amiga fame is working on it and it's very Amiga like.

Unlike Xbox360, PS3 bias towards the CPU.

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The Xbox 360 came out a full year before PS3 and everyone we know has two of them just in case they get a RRoD they still have one system while the other is repaired

There is a lawsuit company investigating the YLOD(Yellow Light of Death) for the PS3 and is possibly going to file a class-action lawsuit.

http://www.lawyerseek.com/Practice/Consumer-Protection-C21/Playstation-3-Yellow-Light-of-Death-P212/

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@Hammer

That is not the first Sony product to have fault tendencies just after warranty expires I've heard of.

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@DiscreetFX

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DiscreetFX wrote: The Xbox 360 came out a full year before PS3 and everyone we know has two of them just in case they get a RRoD they still have one system while the other is repaired. That means PS3 units and Xbox 360 units are about even.

All this tells us is that "everyone you know" is so enamored with playing with their Microsoft console that instead of being able to live without it for a while for it to be repaired, they gave Microsoft hundreds in cash more each to each have a personal backup unit. Not many products can boast such loyal consumer reaction in the face of such a widespread and widely publicized problem with the product.

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That quote is not from us but from Windows Weekly a MS friendly podcast. We can get you the episode link if you want to hear them say it for yourself.

Which part is the quote (since you used no quotations), I am assuming just the sales figures?

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We just did the PS3 3.0 firmware update today and PS3 looks even cooler. It is not just a game system but also a excellent Blu-ray player and a great photo and music device.

I like my PS3 quite a bit. And now I'm glad to see it at the "right" price finally. But sadly my Xbox has been more reliable. My PS3 sometimes freezes if left on overnight. My Xbox has had zero issues of any kind so far. I was a late adopter of Xbox, Mass Effect finally got me to buy, so I had a later unit that is much less likely to RRoD.

P.S. Be careful how you try to manipulate stats, like above where you are trying to show that sold units really are "about even" because folks buy "backup units". To me a more interesting stat would be a mathematically reliable estimate of how many PS3 owners only have PS3, and not Xbox 360. Because as a game publisher, thats really the more important stat to consider on whether to try to cover the platform.

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@DiscreetFX

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DiscreetFX wrote: The Xbox 360 came out a full year before PS3 and everyone we know has two of them just in case they get a RRoD they still have one system while the other is repaired.

That's quite the assumption.
I, however, personally saw multiple acquaintences having to buy a PS2 every 1.5 years...

Seems like the Sony's quality is built on repeat sales after the warranty expires. Say what you will about MS, you can't knock a 3 year warranty. As for my Wii, it's a launch day unit, like other Nintendo hardware I've owned, it's solid. However, I did send it in to get one of the drives capable of reading dual-layer dics as my launch unit wouldn't play SSBB. Nintendo replaced the drive for free despite being out of warranty as they guaranteed that every Wii could/would play it.

I've had both Sony CDR/RW drives and 3.5" drives in my PC's and they have also failed after a bit over a year of VERY LITTLE use. The only thing I would buy from Sony is a home audio system now. Even their TV's lack bang for the buck, I prefer Samsung for the best bang4buck in TV's.

I guess they learned from Zenith that if you make a product that lasts for 10+ years, you shoot yourself in the foot expecting good sales every year. Yes, my parents' 1981 25" Zenith System 3 lasted 20 years...

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