@DiscreetFX

I appreciate you sharing your experiences with each, and I don't question the validity of your opinions from each experience. But this still does not address where this started, with your contention that MS should not compete in areas where others already have products, but where its ok for Sony, Google, etc to. And where when MS does this, they are evil. And where when companies you like do it, its not evil/bad/wrong/impolite.

Is this your own form of corporate affirmative action?

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I like the fact that the Xbox 360 competes with the PS3 though and keeps that team on their toes.

And even though the Zune is not as successful as the 360, I assure you it keeps Steve Jobs on his toes as well. But you have issue with the Zune to market, but not the 360.

I'm starting to wonder if your posturing is just a guilt complex for being a Windows developer, Windows user, Xbox 360 user, etc!

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PS3 is probably better thanks to open competition.

Again, why should you decide what product categories are ok for MS to participate in open competition, and others that they should pity the potential competition and stay out of? And how are they supposed to know you are the authority on the subject and what your rulings are for each product category? Maybe I think the ZuneHD will help tp push the ipod further forward. Who should they listen to on if thats evil to make or not, me or you? Frankly I think the Zune helped keep Apple pushing the limits, which in turn over the years helped to turn a $300 investment I had in them to over $10000. Thanks MS!

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Zune & keeping Jobs on his toes. You like to make jokes sometimes.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

I don't use the XBox 360, my son does. At least the XBox 360 has some sales. Zune installed base is way smaller than classic Amiga. You can't even buy a Zune unless you live in North America. The opinions I share here have nothing to do with DFX corporate policy. Notice my sig? Everyone is free believe what they like about MS or even (LOL) Zune.

PS

I do feel it is ethically and morally very wrong for B Gates & S Ballmer to prop up Xbox sales by having millions of them stashed at their respective houses but they will not extend the same courtesy to poor Zune. What a double standard!!!

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BTW, which DiscreetFX employee is speaking now and when you make news announcements from this account I guess they can't be viewed as officially from the company anymore right?

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@fairlanefastback

Why do you continue to defend a faceless billion dollar company on a Amiga fan site? As a moderator is it you your job to protect MS from small hardworking Amiga developers that advertise on aw.net? What is your motive? You do know that forum posts and press releases come from different people and are not the same right?

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Even without MS, you still have MS’s monopoly master i.e. IBM. Non-exclusive MS-DOS and PC clones resulted in breaking IBM’s dominance. The alternative time line would have IBM OS/2 being the dominate OS. Such situation might worst compared to the current time line i.e. Firmware, CPU, PC and OS being owned by one company i.e. IBM.

In the current PC situation, you have separate companies for firmware (e.g. AMI/Phoenix, Award, InSyde and‘etc’), PC (e.g. Dell, HP, Acer, Asus, etc’), CPU (e.g. Intel, AMD, VIA) and OS (mostly MS).

MS, Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, IBM, Oracle, Qualcomm are not your typical GM style American corporations.

Motorola and followers would !@#$ anyway.

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[quote]The alternative time line would have IBM OS/2 being the dominate OS. Such situation might worst compared to the current time line i.e. Firmware, CPU, PC and OS being owned by one company i.e. IBM.
[/quote[ So in this case would Microsoft have not pulled out of the project?

Some pics from PS3 slim launch in Japan:







I think the PS3 is going to see massive sales with the release of Final Fantasy XIII in Japan later this year.

PS3 slim reviews so far seem very positive around the world:


Home Cinema Choice
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/reviews/new_reviews/ps3+slim+hands+review+why+new+console+both+better+and+worse+original+28+08+09

PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352134,00.asp

PC World
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/301007/review/playstation_3.html

Eurogamer:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3slim-hardware-test-article?page=3

Didn't I say the general opinion is going to sway towards positive a few years ago?

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BrianK wrote: @Hammer [quote]The alternative time line would have IBM OS/2 being the dominate OS. Such situation might worst compared to the current time line i.e. Firmware, CPU, PC and OS being owned by one company i.e. IBM. [/quote[ So in this case would Microsoft have not pulled out of the project?

If one removes MS, IBM would have developed OS/2 exclusively i.e. OS/2 was later developed by IBM exclusively.

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@DiscreetFX

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DiscreetFX wrote: @fairlanefastback Why do you continue to defend a faceless billion dollar company on a Amiga fan site?

That would be you actually with your Google does no evil, DiscreetFX likes Google thing.

I am trying to understand how your Microsoft position works. Twisting it on me is not going to work. You have issue with some members here when they defend something MS if its first attacked (usually by you). *But*, then Xbox is ok because you bought it for your son (how convienient). Being a Windows developer is ok (we'll make the disclaimer to try to excuse that one).

I'm not the one lacking a "live and let live" attitude. You are the one who goes on the offensive against MS. Personally I think it would be more productive and less childish if you put that energy to promoting Amiga, instead of bashing a company that has nothing to do with us. I'm honestly trying to understand how you justify that someone who defends Silverlight and Windows 7 after its attacked should not be here, yet you have your own fingers in the MS pie, just different technologies of theirs.

Instead of taking a step back and maybe admitting that you are not being equitable, you've dug in. I'm merely trying to logically get to the bottom of how you justify certain MS customer/user support as fine and dandy and others worthy of you bashing here. I find the pyschology of it so far quite fascinating.

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You do know that forum posts and press releases come from different people and are not the same right?

Ah yes the multiple personas of this account. The rash one (I think thats the one posting lately). And then the more business-like one that shows up every once and a while to excuse the rash one. Problem is you never sign which persona is supposedly speaking and both use the same account. And this account has already gone back on its word from 08/20/2009:

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PS3 slim reviews so far seem very positive around the world:

Thank God! Hopefully this will mean good things for my Sony stock in the future!

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@Hammer

Hard to know what the alternative timeline would have been but IBM is big and slow and at least OS/2 was better than Windows. MS had their fingers in OS/2 as well. In an IBM timeline at least Netscape would not have been crushed and murdered. That's what woke me up to how bad MS had become.

@fairlanefastback

Just for the record, I'm not really an Xbox 360 fan. We will drop our Windows development 100% at some point in the future.

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Some pics from PS3 slim launch in Japan:

Clearly the slim are less popular else we'd see more riots and shootings

Another Slim review from Sony insider, unlike the other reviews it highlights a new introduction disc, with game/movie trailers and PS3 tutorials!

http://www.sonyinsider.com/2009/09/06/ps3-slim-review/

@MikeB

Wow someone watches an introduction disc? He's probably a single lonely chap who spends his times reading instructions.

According to Famitsu the PS3 sold over 150K units last week (including 3 days of slim sales) in Japan. Outselling the Wii, DS, PSP, 360 and PS2 combined for the week.

Also PS3 console sales spiked for the UK (*1000%) and France (+900%) with the PS3 greatly outselling its rivals:

Chart Track:
"The system is set to display +999% when it encounters huge increases, so the actual increase in PS3 unit hardware sell-through is around 11X - so 11 times what PS3 was selling the previous week."

"Chart-Track also said that last week the PS3 outsold the DS, Wii and Xbox 360 by approximately 3:1"

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MikeB wrote: According to Famitsu the PS3 sold over 150K units last week (including 3 days of slim sales) in Japan. Outselling the Wii, DS, PSP, 360 and PS2 combined for the week. Also PS3 console sales spiked for the UK (*1000%) and France (+900%) with the PS3 greatly outselling its rivals: Chart Track: "The system is set to display +999% when it encounters huge increases, so the actual increase in PS3 unit hardware sell-through is around 11X - so 11 times what PS3 was selling the previous week." "Chart-Track also said that last week the PS3 outsold the DS, Wii and Xbox 360 by approximately 3:1"

Good to see increased PS3 sales. Do you have links for the above?

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Sony reportedly to launch 3D televisions next year

Interesting (the PS3 reference):

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Sony chief Howard Stringer will announce plans to not only sell 3D Bravia television sets, but to make Sony's Vaio laptop computers, PlayStation 3 game consoles and Blu Ray disc players compatible with the technology, the paper said.

(bold emphasis added by me)

http://tinyurl.com/mlr93l

From that I found this in a search:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/ps3s-new-3d-mode-captured-on-video-coming-in-2010-to-all-exist/

The odd part is this says you won't need a Sony TV to use PS3 3D, just a firmware update and a newer set. So that makes me wonder then, what is supposed to be the actual 3D specific technology for Bravia sets that is mentioned by Howard Stringer from the first article above?

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The odd part is this says you won't need a Sony TV to use PS3 3D, just a firmware update and a newer set. So that makes me wonder then, what is supposed to be the actual 3D specific technology

Sets need to be at least 120Hz and I believe Sony's new one's will be 200Hz. Though it'll be interesting to see this work. AFAIK, 120Hz sets render additional frames between the 60Hz signals. I don't believe they take 120Hz inputs. It seems to me the PS3 would therefore need to render every other frame for each eye. 30 frames per second per eye (read x2) gives you 60Hz. It'll be interesting to see this in action. Also it'll be interesting to see if it adds any significant play beyond capabilities. Or does the PS3 just have 11 (see Spinal Tap.)


Recently Microsoft released the 720p requirements. We've seen Halo3 and other games in less than 720p resolution and the impact is minimal. Mostly just fodder for the Sony-fanbois.



@MikeB

First week sales for the PS3 seem good. The PS3 beat the 360 in the USA. First time in a long time. PS3 worldwide appear to have increased 35%. 360 sales increased 29%. We'll see if the trend continues. It's anyone's guess.

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PS3 worldwide appear to have increased 35%.

What? According to which source? Other sources claim about a 409% increase in sales:
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5126&mp=1

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MikeB wrote: @BrianK Quote: PS3 worldwide appear to have increased 35%. What? According to which source? Other sources claim about a 409% increase in sales: http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5126&mp=1

I think you are just talking different weeks Mike. BrianK's post is from 9/08. The VGChartz post is from 9/10, and it mentions that the week before the 409% increase that there was a 35% increase, which matches the number Brian mentions, and is the week the Slim debuted in the United States.

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5039

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