@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @BrianK This reportage was done by Iain Lee, a freelance journalist who has been employed by Microsoft. In this article for MSN’s tech-site, Iain discusses the console wars. Make of it what you will. Some of his past comments: “You have to feel sorry for everyone that plumped for the PS3 over the 360.” “the 360 came out and is as close to perfect as you can get.” “But even the biggest Playstation fan has to admit that the 360 is just great.” “one console offers a sublime, beautiful, wondrous, joyful online experience, while the other is guff. I’ll leave it to you to try and work out which is which.” “Look, I’m not saying I’m never going to play PS3 again, all I’m saying is it’s going to take something pretty special to get me to try and find the controllers and start up the thing.” IMO pure comedy! LOL

What you link and quote from above has every appearance to be a comedy piece for fun Mike. As evidenced by some obvious jokes:

"Then there was the ridiculous sale price for the PS3. Something like 70 billion million hundred pounds. I exaggerate slightly for comic effect, but you get the idea. Way over budget for your casual gamer. Even me, with my millions from having been on the telly five years ago, wasn’t going to spend that much on it. "

"And what the sodding hell is Blu-ray all about? That’s not even how you spell blue. It should have an ‘e’ at the end, B-L-U-E! Not Blu. Pathetic. "

"I even got sent a free copy of Casino Royale when I registered my PS3 online, and I haven’t watched it out of protest. I lost big time in the great Betamax/VHS wars of the early 80s. Yes, I’m not ashamed to admit I backed totally the wrong horse then. I went for Betamax. Excellent quality but only 3 films available to rent."

It was ACTUAL comedy, and further made obvious because the man is a comedian by trade:
http://www.iainlee.com/

And even if you want to believe he was serious there he also said in that very article:

"That’s not to say the PS3 won’t become a great console in the future. I’m sure it will. Of course it will."

Bottom line about the UK MSN post is that its obviously not to be taken at all seriously.

As to Iain in the Watchdog show, he did not do any of the "reportage" as you state. They mention straight out that he is a comedian and he presents the one segment on the repairs of PS3s in the van the show setup.

Anita Rani was the reporter on the story, and that was quite clear.
Now to be sure, I'm not so sure Anita did the best job in the world. But there is no reason to pretend Iain had that role in the program.

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@MikeB

Earlier today checking VGChartz to see how the PS3 is selling worldwide it's ahead of the 360 week's sales. The weekly sales difference is roughly 160K. A big drop from last week. If we assume this week's sales is stable this means 1 year for the PS3 to surpass the 360.

Of course assuming so a wild a** guess. Christmas seasons on the way and the new PS3 and 360 controllers in 2010 it's anyone's guess that this may change before 2011.

I think the nearly 1/2 million PS3 sales we saw the week of 9/6 more likely shows people were expecting a price break, didn't buy the month or 2 before the break, and now bought. This week should be interesting. If the fall continues we'll see the PS3 and 360 again neck in neck.

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@fairlanefastback

More on the YLoD...
"the YLoD problem takes place 18 to 24 months after the original purchase, conveniently six or more months after the warranty expires. Sony has acknowledged the problem.."

What is the problem?
BBC "Watchdog didn't buy the "range of issues" statement and sent off sixteen consoles owned by viewers who originally complained about the error. An independent console repairer disassembled the devices and heated the motherboard in a special oven, re-heating the solder to a point where the metal could repair bad connections between the components and the circuit board. After this trick, all sixteen consoles began working again; five were later reported to malfunction again."

Sony claims that this cannot fix all the problems indicated by YLoD.

Typical Sony quality failing just outside the warranty period. And yes, that is from my own experiences as well in using their 3.5" floppy drives and CD-R/RW drives and a PS1 and watching everyone else's PS2 drop by the wayside.

I refuse to buy anything that from Sony that includes a disc/disk spinning mechanism.

My stereo is a Sony digital 6.1 system and I have no problems with that...and yes, I bought it myself, it wasn't a gift, so I assure you my bias is strictly for any Sony product that involves spinning media.

@Lou

No problem this end. The PS2 Slim has proved very reliable lasting 5 years+ and 3 years+ for our two units. My 14" Triniton TV/Monitor lasted 12 years before the colour tuner went. It still works as a black and white TV or colour monitor! The way I see it the PS3 has had far less quality control issues than the XBox360 and it's a major selling point - Sony's reliabilty. Also, my friend whose PS3 60Gb broke had it collected the day after it broke on a Friday and had it delivered back to him on the monday! Reliability and service! Can't say fairer than that!

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@BigD

Well I have no experience with their TV's so I didn't mention that. As always your mileage may vary, I was just giving you mine and my aquaintances'.

My original 2002 Gamecube still works (yes the one with Serial Port 1&2 and the component output connector).

My Wii was sent in to have the drive replaced to play dual-layered discs (Super Smash Bros Brawl) courtesy of Nintendo. It's a launch day unit otherwise.

I wasn't questioning the lack of quality on the 360. Sorta like the PS2 last gen that the games library is so important that people will get them fixed or replaced. When you got it like that, I guess your initial quality can suffer if you have the dedicated user base. Same was true of the PS2. You say your slim(s) works great..good for you, I'd pity you if you had bought one of the earlier models.

@Lou

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Typical Sony quality failing just outside the warranty period.

Certainly this is something seen with Sony equipment without spinning media. Sony's been subject to a few class action lawsuits due to reliability problems.

As for the PS1 - mine has been great. It's the original model, not the newer more rounded one. My PS2 on the other hand failed twice. The 2nd time out of warranty and I bought a new one. The new one is a slim console. It didn't play 1 of my games, sold the game. It is finicky in general. It sometimes just doesn't want to play games. My launch PS3 has been good so far. Well, other then the jet plane sound during Blu-Ray's making it pretty much worthless for those.

My launch 360 had no problems until the RRoD 2 years after purchase. The replacement is approaching 2 years old and no problems seen so far. One plus is the 360 repaired comes with a new 3 year warranty. To be fair the play beyond warranty of the 360 is above industry standard. My experience with the PS2 repair is the 1 year warranty does not reset. I assume Sony kept the same 'service' with the PS3 which is the industry standard.

Interesting post if true:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374846

PS2 emulator for PSN...so what about people who have original discs?

@Lou

Sony are money grabbing tight fisted has-beens. This isn't going to sell PS3's or PS2 Software. Get Software emulation for PS2 discs or don't bother Sony

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@Thread

How much better is Ghostbusters on the XBox 360 than the PS3? If Sony hadn't have got the timed exclusive they would have been punished again by poor development tools and exotic hardware!

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If I get your right your contention is there is no PS3 failures?

NO... Let me highlight my criticism using a 3rd party source:

"Watchdog accused of exaggeration

Participant in controversial PS3 spot claims he was encouraged to embellish his YLOD problems

Following BBC show Watchdog’s somewhat farcical attack on PS3 last week, one of the consumers that starred in the segment has come out and claimed that he was encouraged to exaggerate the problems his console had suffered.

When asked by TheSixthAxis whether the BBC had told him to embellish the story of how his PS3 malfunctioned, the anonymous respondent claimed: “Categorically, yes.”

The source was also critical of the BBC’s reporting of the matter. “The show lacked vital info on things like models that were affected, any decent explanation as to what had happened to the console, and they only aired the brief story of what had happened to one of the people on the show, when the three of us had different circumstances as to what happened in each instance.

“They also only concentrated on the YLOD problem, when they could have also brought up the issue where the Blu-ray drive fails, although Sony honour those fixes as they recognise it as a problem.”

Hours before last week’s Watchdog was aired Sony went public with a strongly-worded criticism of the programme, which the platform holder labelled as factually incorrect."

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/35854/Watchdog-accused-of-exaggeration

Some more:

"He also adds that Watchdog wouldn’t let him or anyone else speak to the engineers that the programme had recruited to independently fix the knackered PS3s, or to let them watch the actual repairs taking place."

http://www.bitterwallet.com/watchdog-asked-ps3-owners-to-embellish-stories/18601

So, I was pointing out the problems were protrayed in an unprofessional, sensational, incomplete and inaccurate manner, like this participant also tries to tell you. I don't understand why you could not get this from my previous posting...

Like I said before here at AmigaWorld PS3s do fail like all other complex consumer electronics, but in relatively small numbers compared to something like the XBox 360.

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@MikeB

Ah, so after trying to twist things with BS propaganda that a certain person was the reporter on the story for the BBC when he was not. And then trying to tie that into a comedy piece he wrote (since he is a professional comedian). Now you are on to quoting a website with *supposed* quotes from an *anonymous* respondent?

Even if this person is one of the three on the show why should we believe him now after he fully admits to staying party to the show that supposedly told him he had to embellish his story to be on it? As a member of TheSixthAxis (who gave the interview) are they asking him to embellish now perhaps? If he did it already by his own admission, why not again since he is so pliable? His creditability by that admission now is shot before he has started, and thats assuming he is really one of the three.

Additionally, in that very interview the anonymous supposed respondent states:

"All that said I think they (the Watchdog program) have helped people like myself get the problem recognised on a large scale, via a platform which Joe Public has greater access to, where as forums will generally only be accessed by people with a direct interest in the site."

And in response to being asked "How was your conversation with Sony regarding your personal console?"

The anonymous respondent said:

"Kind of like banging my head against a brick wall. After logging my complaint, and giving my reference number to the CSA, she said “so what’s the problem?” I thought it would be pretty obvious if she actually bothered to read the info on the file."

Beyond all of this, of course, the BBC Watchdog show is a great source for you, so long as its Microsoft they are discussing.

@all

Here is the direct link.

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@fairlanefastback

Many people stated his involvement was strange and dodgy. That you think this was the proper approach does not change this fact. The quote came from other media, feel free to send them hate-mail. You can google them up.

This person may have participated in the program, but even most fools know there's post-editing involved in most programs and he seems to not agree with the end result.

He was a customer with a complaint and wants to be heard, IMO nothing wrong with that. But maybe he doesn't want his involvement to be abused.

You sound like such an extremist.

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback Many people stated his involvement was strange and dodgy. That you think this was the proper approach does not change this fact. The quote came from other media, feel free to send them hate-mail. You can google them up. This person may have participated in the program, but even most fools know there's post-editing involved in most programs and he seems to not agree with the end result. He was a customer with a complaint and wants to be heard, IMO nothing wrong with that. But maybe he doesn't want his involvement to be abused. You sound like such an extremist.

Where did I say it was the proper approach? Nice try at twisting again. I did not say that at all, and you know it.

You are the one who said Iain was reporting on the program when clearly he was not. You were the one trying to present an unrelated comedy piece done for another company later as serious through selective quoting. Thats called misrepresentation Mike, and its something you do often, and its sad.

In fact, I quite clearly stated that the ACTUAL reporter on the show (Anita Rani) may not have done the best job. Clearly the extremist is *you*, not me. I'm more than open to saying their shows seem to take shortcuts. But thats not a license for you to then twist it yourself to "get back at them" for your beloved PS3.

So again, while I agree Watchdog seems to take shortcuts by trying to be somewhat of an entertainment program unlike you I see it for that for whoever they are profiling. Not just when its for the product you are a fanboy of. When they did it to MS first in their same unique style, for you it was ok.

Yes. most "fools" as you put people, know about post editing. But if you are asked to embellish, you can walk away right there and then of course. Which, if this is truly one of the people, he did not. Obviously after being asked to embellish, he stayed on and carried things out as requested of him. Perhaps selective editing made it even worse. But any person asked to essentially lie should know to walk away and not do so before even getting to that point.

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@fairlanefastback

He was a reporter for the show, IMO makes the show a lot less credible.

He wasn't the main presenter, she was made fun of a lot on forums and by the media.

I reread my comments and I really don't understand why you're so upset.

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@fairlanefastback

As for your allegations against this person, maybe he declined. I didn´t hear much from the 3 customers in the audience, just a lot of strange reporting with the antiSony song and everything it looked extremely unprofessional to me.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback He was a reporter for the show, IMO makes the show a lot less credible. He wasn't the main presenter, she was made fun of a lot on forums and by the media. I reread my comments and I really don't understand why you're so upset.

I'm not upset Mike. You are the one throwing around what any "fool" knows, and talking about hate mail and other garbage like that.

He did no reporting for that show. But sure his being a presenter for that segment does hurt the credibility of the show overall from a journalistic perspective. I totally agree. He fulfilled part of the entertainment edge they try to give the show. In and of itself that makes them a questionable source on *any* story they do, including Xbox, which you previously have used in your quest against Microsoft. (In that case listing it as a reliable source) Only when PS3 is their latest subject is that an issue for you, and thats damn telling.

But those circumstances that almost anyone could agree on are not enough for you. You had to seek out a posting of a comedy bit from Iain and then selectively quote from it to try to present it as if it was a serious piece to discredit them even further, undeservedly.

There are three problems here. One is that you are ok with the show's approach so long as its the competing console thats the subject. That highlights how deep your bias is.

Another is instead of discrediting the show on valid points that are available, you try to re-package comedy from a professional comedian as if it were serious, as "proof" of the bias of a journalist, when that person is no journalist at all and the show was quite clear about him being a comedian at the beginning of the segment he presented.

The last issue is, despite me clearly saying I saw issues with the job that the actual reporter on the show did, you ignore that and accuse me of totally backing the show as an "extremist". Again, another very flagrant twisting of things.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback As for your allegations against this person, maybe he declined. I didn´t hear much from the 3 customers in the audience, just a lot of strange reporting with the antiSony song and everything it looked extremely unprofessional to me.

The ones "alleging" are the website "The Sixth Axis", who claim they have one of the consumers from the show, whom they will not name. And, assuming this anonymous person exists and is who he claims, that person alleges that the show asked him to embellish.

I allege nothing. I am expressing why I can't take that article completely at face value. The bottom line is if you are asked to embellish and don't just get up and leave, but instead continue to participate you have lost your credibility already. And based on that we can't take your Sixth Axis interview at face value. Had the person up and left when he had the chance and then spoken to the Sixth Axis we could then take the accusation more seriously. Also staying anonymous is the person's right, but also that weakens its credibility as well.

Frankly, my best guess / gut feeling is that its likely true that the show might seek embellishment, given the entertainment spin the show goes for. But thats not the point currently at hand.

The point is you'll use just about anything that casts Xbox in a negative light as valid and seek to destroy anything that casts PS3 in a negative light as invalid. The actual truth behind things simply is not a concern to you.

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BigD wrote: @Thread How much better is Ghostbusters on the XBox 360 than the PS3? If Sony hadn't have got the timed exclusive they would have been punished again by poor development tools and exotic hardware!

The review I saw which did direct comparisons between the two versions highlighted a shockingly poor PS3 version. Textures were nowhere near as refined or distinct, resolutions were not as clear and minor little touches found in the 360 version were notably absent in the PS3 one.

Considering the PS3 version was meant to be the lead release, the quality of it over the 360 is shocking. While on paper the 360 should be lacking in power over the PS3, it appears that Sony have made it very difficult for developers to make use of the power available to them.

Original launch comparisons.

It appears that since the original release, several patches have been released for the PS3 version to fix bugs and improve the quality of the graphics. By all accounts though, the fixes still do not make the game the equivalent to the original launch 360 version.


Patched comparison.

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@_Steve_

Hopefully you don't have similar reviews of comparison for Godfather 2 and Fracture, I just chose used PS3 versions from Gamefly.com over the Xbox360 versions. lol

@MikeB

Yes you read right, I chose PS3 versions when having an equal chance to get the Xbox versions. I'd rather support the Sony platform through purchases when I can. Some MS extremist I am! LOL

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