@fairlanefastback

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Unsurprisingly, there is no one here he can attach those labels to.

I think that's an exaggeration.

Of course, I usually don't resort to finger pointing and often don't take the bait if demanded, but they know who they are and if you followed these enormous threads here on AmigaWorld you will too.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: Unsurprisingly, there is no one here he can attach those labels to. I think that's an exaggeration. Of course, I usually don't resort to finger pointing and often don't take the bait if demanded, but they know who they are and if you followed these enormous threads here on AmigaWorld you will too.

Mike a "fanboy/hater", the label you are trying to cast out on unamed, "but they know who they are" folks is really someone who will go to the extent of lying for their platform or game of choice to "win" an argument . A good example of such is a gem like this one:

Xbox 360 is not a real HD console because,"IMO for a real HD console a console should have a standard HDTV connection."

There is simply no way to dispute the fact that every Xbox 360 can output HD video. Its not a matter of opinion at all if its an HD console. There is no recognized "real HD video output" vs. "fake HD video output". And while we can infer you mean HDMI, there is no such thing as a "standard HDTV connection" either. Its plain, in your face, FUD.

The reality is that HDMI is considered by most to be the best connection type for HD Video and that yes some XBox 360s lack that port. But then of course the Xbox was cheaper. Speaking to the reality is honest communication. Fanboy FUD is not.

Someone is not a fanboy or hater if they say "I think Crysis screenshots look more impressive than Uncharted 2". Both have been widely praised for their graphics and have different graphical styles. Its most certainly subjective. And those people are not going to self identify as haters and Crysis fanboys and "know who they are". They will know thats what you are trying to call them, but knowing its coming from someone so willing to suspend reality just for a chance to diss the Xbox 360, its really not very impactful. It just further exemplifies that you have nothing to back up calling anyone else here that.

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@fairlanefastback

IMO you will have to learn that if someone has an opinion other than your own, that's not defined as lying. For example I might be of the opinion that from a specs perspective the Wii is a last gen console. Others may not agree as the console is selling within this generation (just like the PS2 though).

Tolerance for other people's opinion is IMO a virtue, hence the reason why I included that Uncharted quote. Some people will attack others for stating that they believe Uncharted 2 is the prettiest game they have seen so far.

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Regarding Japan, according to Famitsu PS3 sales are holding up well. Currently selling around 50K a week for the last 3 weeks after the PS3 slim launch week. This bodes well for the Japanese Final Fantasy XIII launch for the PS3 later this year!

Consoles (week ending 27-9-2009):

DSi - 66000
PS3 - 50000
PSP - 20000
Wii - 13000
NDS - 10000
360 - 3700
PS2 - 3500

Previous weeks for comparison:

Consoles (week ending 20-9-2009):

DSi - 66,073
PS3 - 51,055
PSP - 21,073
Wii - 16,698
DS Lite - 13,555
Xbox 360 - 4,965
PS2 - 2,723


Consoles (week ending 13-9-2009):

DSi – 66,416
PS3 – 57,056
PSP – 19,572
Wii – 14,556
DS Lite – 9,206
Xbox 360 – 4,927
PS2 – 3,100

Consoles (ending 6-9-2009, PS3 slim launch week):

PS3 - 151000
DSi - 59000
PSP - 23000
Wii - 18000
NDS - 5600
360 - 4600
PS2 - 3700

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback IMO you will have to learn that if someone has an opinion other than your own, that's not defined as lying. For example I might be of the opinion that from a specs perspective the Wii is a last gen console. Others may not agree as the console is selling within this generation (just like the PS2 though).

You can try to hide behind calling it an opinion. Like saying "IMO most people have hands with 6 fingers". Or, "IMO France is owned by Poland". Of course thats plainly not true. Just like saying that there is a real HD vs not real/fake HD. Unfortunately thats plainly not the case either.

You can continue to play games like that, sure. Of course if everyone did that there would hardly be a point in anyone communicating with anyone else at all.

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Tolerance for other people's opinion is IMO a virtue, hence the reason why I included that Uncharted quote. .

Ah yes, quite the message of tolerance:

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For the haters and Crysis fanboys: " Best-looking game ever"

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@MikeB

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IMO you will have to learn that if someone has an opinion other than your own, that's not defined as lying.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own facts.

Stating the 360 is not an HD console because it didn't have a standard HD connector is making up your own facts. HD is based on resolution not connection. 360 is capable of HD resolutions. And sets be them HD via DVI or HDMI can do HD via component. The later also being a HD connection.

So yes your statement was a lie, as it was untruthful. Perhaps what you mean here is a difference between a conscious lie and one from ignorance. Either way it's still a lie and the person is still lying.

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Tolerance for other people's opinion is IMO a virtue

To a point. I agree people should be open-minded. Accepting lies or crazy statments is itself craziness. People should not be open-minded to the point where their brains fall out.

@fairlanefastback

IMO every HD console should come with a HDMI connection. BrianK even pointed out how this can result into the weird scaling issues I was talking about.

So IMO it was a good choice to add it to the XBox 360.

Still with or without HDMI, IMO the PS3 remains a technically far more competent HD console than the XBox 360.

I still remember someone calling me a liar (&beyond) on here for stating 360s were failure prone, I think in hindsight the bulk of people agree he went too far (considering Microsoft admitted this and studies back up this opinion).

With regard to Uncharted 2 Among Thieves looking great and IMO better than Crysis in general. I even prefer Killzone 2 (lighting / animation / art direction) and Metal Gear Solid 4's (art direction, detail) graphics in general to Crysis. (this apart from the games in general themselves and audio).

@ BrianK

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Stating the 360 is not an HD console

Care to back up this claim?

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@MikeB

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IMO every HD console should come with a HDMI connection.

Great, thats not what you said before. But you already know that. Plus, every new one does now anyway. And before that it did not due to price.

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So IMO it was a good choice to add it to the XBox 360.

Yep, everyone agrees on that Mike, but again, you already know that.

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Still with or without HDMI, IMO the PS3 remains a technically far more competent HD console than the XBox 360.

Fair enough for an opinion, but you, *again* know that is not what has been called out as a lie and FUD.

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I still remember someone calling me a liar (&beyond) on here for stating 360s were failure prone,

Which has zero to do with your actual recent lie.

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@BrianK Care to back up this claim?

It already has been. You got caught, get over it.

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@fairlanefastback

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It already has been. You got caught, get over it.

Why not provide a quote? You agree the burden of providing evidence when outing allegations rests on your shoulders, not mine?

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: It already has been. You got caught, get over it. Why not provide a quote? You agree the burden of providing evidence when outing allegations rests on your shoulders, not mine?

Thats already been done in a recent post in this thread Mike, one you already replied to. There is no reason to repeat it simply for your sad amusement.

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@fairlanefastback

Sigh... No, Lou didn't provide a quote.

@all


Another Uncharted 2 review, 7/10.

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@MikeB

You can start with #844 where is the closest post to this one where you indicate the 360 was not HD until it received HDMI. Bullocks.

@MikeB

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Regarding Japan,

Which is a small market to say the least. The PS3 in the USA is down again. Look back to post #702 where I predicted in the USA PS3 be short lived and here are a week later and they are neck in neck. 83K for the PS3 and 74K for the 360. At the rate of sales drop they should be about equal this week.

@all

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33107428/ns/technology_and_science-games/

Sony to unveil new PS3 game in theaters
Gamers will be able to play ‘Uncharted 2’ on movie screens

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@fairlanefastback

Never heard of that website before, are you sure you aren't playing right into their intends and they (he or she) are/is mainly trying to attract as many hits as possible from fanboys?

@BrianK

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You can start with #844 where is the closest post to this one where you indicate the 360 was not HD until it received HDMI.

I never said that, I just highlighted some reasons why IMO the XBox 360 wasn't a true HD system.

We know the PS2 can output HD resolutions, but I did not consider it a true HD console for many reasons. Of course strictly speaking the XBox 360 is a HD console. But with last gen DVD storage capacity, no HDMI and technically its sweetspot for rendering is really sub-HD one can consider it to be a console between the SD and HD generation of consoles.

Please be a bit more open minded and accurate with your reading.

@BrianK

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Which is a small market to say the least.

Japan, after the European Union and the United States is a major gaming market.

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The PS3 in the USA is down again.

NPD figures are actually yet to be released for the PS3 slim, I bet PS3 sales are up considerably and there will be a big year over year sales increase for the remainder of the year.

@MikeB

This video is going to show some dude why console's strength should not be measured with GFX power: they are going to be surpassed by PCs one days or the other.

Console's strength should be measured in other kind of innovations, things PCs tend not to have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P25ukMJHfTI

Now tell me if Play3 or X320 will ever be able to do that

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback Sigh... No, Lou didn't provide a quote.

Now I wish you would have. What (tf) are you talking about here?