@Darth_X
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The current AmigaOne is for dreamers who can wait for the seasons to change and the Pegasos is for business people who want to work hard to build up a viable market.

That really isn't fair Darth_X. The Pegasos was a dream as well at one point in time. Genesi's just a few month ahead in the game. These kinds of generalizations are just flame bait.

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I don't think either will become all great conquering giants, and anyone who believes so is just naive. So really all that leaves is a small niche market of enthusiasts.

Depends on what you consider small. To the PC world, an installed platform base of 1 million is microscopic! But to this market it is just enough to maintain a nice small software and hardware niche.

Maybe there will be only 10,000 sales for both Pegasos and AmigaOne combined. But I see a mini-itx PPC product to be even more sucessful because its something quite a lot of people want.

I would like to see more involvement from MAI to promote their Teron boards. I would like to see them attending the trade shows and getting developers onboard and supporting their products.

For example, Ben Hermans mentioned visiting MAI HQ in California before attending Amiwest. Did he bring along one of the MAi reps to Amiwest to introduce them to the potential customers of a MAI Teron/AmigaOne product?

MAI should have an interest in making their product better, meet developers and listen to what they have to say on the positives and negatives of their product, so they can make it better. Let's do it this way.

The goal should be open to business and open to developers.

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@DaveP
> None of us have seen the contract,

It was linked to on Moobunny several months ago, at that time I had bet that Amiga would win the case, but I think I may end up eating my hat on that one.

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ssolie wrote: @Darth_X Quote: The current AmigaOne is for dreamers who can wait for the seasons to change and the Pegasos is for business people who want to work hard to build up a viable market. That really isn't fair Darth_X. The Pegasos was a dream as well at one point in time. Genesi's just a few month ahead in the game. These kinds of generalizations are just flame bait.

I am not sure. MAI designed the AmigaOne (teron) and the ArticiaS northbridge. Genesi just used the northbridge. So I would say that MAI were ahead in this respect.

I'd say that Genesi are now behind, at least now that they've changed Northbridge suppliers. Also, MAI, although probably limited to a budget, are a subsidiary of a larger Taiwan based coporation, a lot larger (more money) than Genesi. Genesi are tiny by comparison.
Correct me if I'm wrong

If I read a MAI datasheet, I would like to see more than Linux under the available operating systems. It is important to see OS4 listed as well, when it is finished, for the sucess of OS4.

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Is that what you would like to hear?

No, to be honest, not. The last thing I want to hear is stupid remarks masked as "irony".

I was asking a genuine question, but as usual all I get is an answer that is at best "not to the point", or idiotic if you're in a bad mood.

Note that I was asking an honest question and I was expecting to receive an honest answer. If you can't give that, it just prooves you are trolling.

Thanks, Darth_X. You have just shown your quality. It seems you can't treat anybody with respect that has a different opinion than you.

Don't expect others to respect you, then.

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Just for the heck of it, I did a search on "Amiga Inc" just to see what would come of it. With information like this:

"Update: as of today (September 2003), there's still no AmigaOS4 nor AmigaOne" (found here) it isn't suprising that we have so much trouble getting anywhere. AmigaOne hardware has been available to order since November 2002 (see here), and in peoples homes by the start of this year.

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EntilZha wrote: Quote: Is that what you would like to hear? No, to be honest, not. The last thing I want to hear is stupid remarks masked as "irony".

I think my comments sounded more 'sarcastic' there. I honestly do respect you and your brother.

whether you like it or not!!!!

I don't think competing head on with MACOSX is stupid at all, I genuinely believe that should be the goal. Maybe not at the start, but once OS4 is running the way ya want it.. go for it!

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I was asking a genuine question, but as usual all I get is an answer that is at best "not to the point", or idiotic if you're in a bad mood. Note that I was asking an honest question and I was expecting to receive an honest answer. If you can't give that, it just prooves you are trolling.

Right, I was in a bit of a bad mood.

I didn't consider myself to be trolling, as it was just my own person criticism, but if everyone else here thinks so, then I would have to acknowledge that.


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Thanks, Darth_X. You have just shown your quality. It seems you can't treat anybody with respect that has a different opinion than you. Don't expect others to respect you, then.

Respect is something that is earned. For myself, I don't think people would automatically respect me anyways.
I always have a different viewpoint or opinion. so although I'm annoying I'm also a valuable asset.

Well, I know you have a different opinion than me, and guess what.. you got my respect!

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_Steve_ wrote: Just for the heck of it, I did a search on "Amiga Inc" just to see what would come of it. With information like this: Update: as of today (September 2003), there's still no AmigaOS4 nor AmigaOne (found here) it isn't suprising that we have so much trouble getting anywhere.

You are trolling!!! Oh No!!!!!

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AmigaOne hardware has been available to order since November 2002 (see here), and in peoples homes by the start of this year.

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@Darth_X

And still you didn't answer EntilZha's question.

But anyway, drop that particular thread within this thread now. You can discuss that in private IHMO.

/Björn

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Orgin wrote: @Darth_X And still you didn't answer EntilZha's question. But anyway, drop that particular thread within this thread now. You can discuss that in private IHMO. /Björn

Thanks for pointing this out.

I could give an answer on why I think a completely new platform such as the Pegasos has a better chance of sucess than the resurrection of the Amiga platform (in the form of AmigaOne and OS4).

But this would be only my opinion.

(And here I go and do something CRAZY... I give a decent answer....!!!!! Just don't get me to post the Answer to Entropy's questions .. its a Loooooooooonnnnnng post!)

I do think that an AmigaOne running OS4 can reach a moderate sucess You can quote me on this, even if I'm wrong!

But a platform such as the Pegasos can go farther with all the operating systems (QNX, OS4, MorphOS, Linux, and so on) that run on it.

I did include OS4. OS4 has the abilitiy to be more sucessful by having it running on more platforms.


Anyways, I don't have all the inside information you guys have, I only see a company AmigaInc in deep financial trouble, Hyperion struggling to develop an operating system on an incredibly low budget (but with good guys like Frieden bros working on it), and Eyetech selling an OEM PPC board from MAI ( who are a subsidiary of a GIANT PC motherboard manufacturer FIC so theorhetically there should be no reason for the high cost of the board, unless of course it is still considered an evaluation board by MAI).

Maybe these MAI guys have some thing going on the you guys know about but that I do not know about. Make sense? Like lower prices?

Anyways, I am coming from the point of view that I would rather invest $2000 or more into the company (get the product developed first) than spend $1500 on an AmigaOne running linux.

(Sorry to Linux fans out there! )

OK, see.. I am different!!!!


Hyperion could be generating revenue of their own by selling a game bundle to Pegasos owners. I hope its not unethical to make money off the Pegasos market for OS4 development!

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Oh, sure, if they happen to download an infected file and run it, or open the wrong email attachment, but then how many of them have had their web provider specifically targeted on a single one of their IP's by a dozen high-speed DSL and Cable connections with simultaneous denial of service attacks? This wasn't some random virus, it was a concerted, deliberate attack.

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But a platform such as the Pegasos can go farther with all the operating systems (QNX, OS4, MorphOS, Linux, and so on) that run on it.

Last time I checked I didn't yet work on an OS 4 version for the Pegasos. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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I hope its not unethical to make money off the Pegasos market for OS4 development!

It's not unethical, it is doubtful. Not that I wouldn't think that you can actually sell something, but at the most there are 600 Pegasos around, which limits your market considerably, even more so since some of the lot doesn't really like us (don't ask me why).

Sure the Pegasos II has been announced, but also in a limited production run (600 again I think).

Finally, we don't have any free development resources to develop for AmigaOS, so we certainly don't have any for MorphOS.

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I only see a company AmigaInc in deep financial trouble

You see?
Did you have they banking account under your eyes? Did you know what banks are asking to Amiga? Did you know who are the investors and what they want?

Let me tell you something, as a regular AmigaDE developer, since 2 years (approximatively) I ear eveywhere "Amiga Inc has no money", or "they will die this year", or "We will never see our os4", or "They don't have enough skills to do anything"...or those kind of ####.
I produced an enormous amount of work for AmigaDE, in order to bring new applications or new concepts. Some of my productions have asked more than many hundreds of hours of work.
But now...I see the community divided, I see that many of the best developers are gone, thay don't want a little ####ty war between 2 platforms that at start should be one.
They are bored about seeing a concurent compagny doing "bad" business by passing false informations about Amiga Inc, by playing with the community saying "you will never see OS4,
we are the new Amiga, The guys from Amiga Inc are dumbs etc..." You don't see this in these works in thoses discutions, but that's why I think about. This attitude is puerile,
and is anti-business like.

Meantime, many of the developers still developped many games/applications for AmigaDE/OS4.

Now, since two years that we are on the storm (when you develop hundreds of hours without any great hope to win some money, you are considerating yourself as a friend of
Amiga Inc you know...). And there's a day where you ask yourself why you are continuing to work for a community of 5000 personns that are fighting against each others without
knowing the major facts of the story. And ther's a day where you choose to left the community, develop on another platform, where money is possible to do and where business is business.

For my own, I'm still developing for AmigaDE, but 2 years ago, I was developing many hours per day for AmigaDE, now i develop some hours in the month.
And there will be a day where I will all stop. You don't know how many developers have done this since the peg/os4 war...

And....this isn't really intelligent to continue this way, Amiga isn't dead now, and we are expecting their end since two years. Thay are able to continue this way for some time.
Just the time for new waves of developers going somewhere else.

And...there will be a day where the community will be of a number under 1000, there will only be peg users, and almost no software.

We are killing the Amiga community ourselves.

Stop the war now. Amiga was the one who managed to make the community stronger. Peg is the platform who will kill the Amiga.
And Peg will not survive this story.
What an excellent future!

And windows sucks!

@DC_Edge

You first said "Stop the war now."

Why then say: "Peg is the platform who will kill the Amiga. And Peg will not survive thios story. What an excellent future!"

/Björn

I wouldn't worry about it too much, the so called "split" in the community isn't really there. Take a look a bit deeper and you will see the same 10 or so names (darth_x isn't one of them) saying the same negative comments. Never anything new, just the same subjects bought up over and over again.

if you cut them out, then things really aren't that bad, I've kept quiet lurking for a couple of years now and I'm still interested in DE and OS4. I'm sure there are many more like me, we'll see over the course of 2004 I would guess.

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The war will never stop.
Peg will kill the Amiga
And then will die.

That's all that is possible the way things are getting since so many time

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if you cut them out, then things really aren't that bad,

I don't say that things are completely dead.
I just say that these "isolated" guys are make the A become a little a then will become nothing in days to come, if things continue this way.

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It's not unethical, it is doubtful. Not that I wouldn't think that you can actually sell something, but at the most there are 600 Pegasos around, which limits your market considerably, even more so since some of the lot doesn't really like us (don't ask me why).

Keep me off of that "lot that doesnt like us" list. Being a Pegasos user, I may dislike AI, but I have the utmost repect for yourself and Hyperion. Maybe in the future when you have the time, you can release a few games for the Pegasos system. I will look forward to that.

-Alex
aka. TheMagicM

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Last time I checked I didn't yet work on an OS 4 version for the Pegasos. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct. But as a dreamer, I wait for the day when OS4 will run on more platforms than One!

Any AmigaOS compliant game that Hyperion develops that is sold to a MorphOS user and runs perfectly is development money that goes towards OS4 development.

By the way, thanks guys for listening to my concerns and replying. I really appreciate the time and effort you are putting into this.

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Well I guess the question to ask is how precipitated the split in the community. Lets assume that it wasn't Amiga as any split would be counter productive. So the split must have been caused by the competitors. In this case it would be genesi and their pegasos/morphOS solution.

Historically correct. However, the split occured between the AmigaDE like abstract OS running everywhere concept, and a platform dependent PPC migration path for the classic operating system.

So we are speaking of a conceptual split.

(Of which the latter turned out to be more appreciated by the community, so we have 2 solutions.)

Greetings again everyone