@Lou

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Lou wrote: @BrianK Perhaps some of those PS2 sales could have instead been PS3 sales if backwards compatibility was still a feature of the "feature-rich" PS3.

This is something I wish my PS3 had. Desk space is precious and having the PS2 still needing to be around is definately a pain for me.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: PS3 exclusive RPG Demon's Soul has been confirmed to be released outside of Japan: The game enjoyed much praise, here a trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxeiLxVajc

I liked the look of the armor and the dragon-like creature at the end was rather impressive looking in this. And its good to see more PS3 exclusives! Makes me happy as a gamer, and a Sony stockholder.

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@fairlanefastback

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So whats the typical song and dance Mike.

I was talking about clear preferences, not near neutral support (most of them still preferred Blu-Ray as well). All near all the major manufacturers and movie publishers were behind Blu-Ray from the start, IMO it was clear Blu-Ray was going to win in the end. (like I stated back then, most things I write with "IMO", not that it was pretty obvious to me due to this and the PS3 coming with a Blu-Ray drive by default)

@MikeB

I had heard of HD-DVD years before it was available. Infact, my friend had a special edition package porn movie with both DVD and HD-DVD discs long before any affordable HD-DVD players were on the market in 2005. (Pirates)

I had never heard of BluRay until just before the PS3 came out.

If anything, fault the HD-DVD backers for not making players widely available (and affordable) before the PS3 was released.

I also feel if HD-DVD originally came with the 360, that the PS3 and BluRay would just be footnotes and that Nintendo would have had to try a little harder.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: So whats the typical song and dance Mike. I was talking about clear preferences, not near neutral support (most of them still preferred Blu-Ray as well). All near all the major manufacturers and movie publishers were behind Blu-Ray from the start, IMO it was clear Blu-Ray was going to win in the end. (like I stated back then, most things I write with "IMO", not that it was pretty obvious to me due to this and the PS3 coming with a Blu-Ray drive by default)

So you are saying that the studios that chose to be HD-DVD exclusive were only providing "near neutral support" by choosing HD-DVD over Blu-ray? How was being exclusively HD-DVD being anywhere near being neutral?? If I only sold my movies in HD-DVD and DVD and NOT in Blu-ray then I am not being "near neutral", whatever thats supposed to mean.

And since you claim you were speaking "IMO" I'll point out you did not say that here at all:

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MikeB wrote: Very few actually, only Toshiba (duh!) and Universal (for whatever reason I don't know).

Clearly, Universal was not the only studio supporting HD-DVD exclusively in the past.

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@fairlanefastback

On Backwards Compatibility Quote:

This is something I wish my PS3 had. Desk space is precious and having the PS2 still needing to be around is definately a pain for me.

I have basically ruled out the PS3 on the grounds that it has no backwards compatibility with the PS2. I love PS2 games, they include a lot of retro collections that I will play for years, so I'm not willing to get rid of the console. There is no room for a PS3 in the lounge and I'm not moving my CD32 in the bedroom.

If the 360 becomes more reliably then Sony might even lose me as a Sony (semi) fanboy!

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@fairlanefastback

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Clearly, Universal was not the only studio supporting HD-DVD exclusively in the past.

You will have to look at this from a business perspective, it was known those other companies preferred Blu-Ray. But by supporting HD DVD they upped their negotiation profile, once the time was right they dropped HD DVD real hard, leaving only Universal.

They got a lot of coverage from the press as well, so the HD DVD camp (basically Microsoft, Toshiba and Universal were the major players) and other supporters heaviliy relied on those swingers with regard to PR. Dropping HD DVD real hard, made things look unsustainable for HD DVD and the format died a quick death.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: Clearly, Universal was not the only studio supporting HD-DVD exclusively in the past. You will have to look at this from a business perspective, it was known those other companies preferred Blu-Ray. But by supporting HD DVD they upped their negotiation profile, once the time was right they dropped HD DVD real hard, leaving only Universal. They got a lot of coverage from the press as well, so the HD DVD camp (basically Microsoft, Toshiba and Universal were the major players) and other supporters heaviliy relied on those swingers with regard to PR. Dropping HD DVD real hard, made things look unsustainable for HD DVD and the format died a quick death.

Well you are predictable Mike. You did *exactly* what I said you would do. Say that actually exclusively adopting HD-DVD did not mean in any way that they preferred it at any time. And then you make your statements with no good backup. So these other studios risked alienating customers by issuing movies on a format they knew they were going to help kill later and entered into business relationships fully under false pretenses?

Not to mention that obviously in an open conversation about preference and adoption by studios when the word "prefered" is used its going to be taken in the context of what they showed to the world as their preference. And becoming an HD-DVD *exclusive* studio is certainly showing a preference.

Its very convenient to call these instances public shams. Do we move to phase 2 of your sad predictability, the out of context quote, or perhaps the self-quote?

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@MikeB

Honey.... have you considered buying a banner ad from AW.Net?

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@Yo

Yes, I considered to sponsor the website. I thought it would be look more professional getting the required funding that way.

@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Yo Yes, I considered to sponsor the website. I thought it would be look more professional getting the required funding that way.

Your sentence is not very clear. I think Yo is saying with your advertising for Sony angle in posts maybe you should have to be a paying sponsor to post as you do. I would tend to agree (if thats what she meant). You act like a full time marketing machine IMO, where spin is more important than any facts could ever be.

Anyway, can you please clarify your response? I honestly don't get what you are trying to say in that sentence.

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An EPIC annoucement from Nintendo:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/22/all-three-metroid-prime-games-rolled-up-into-metroid-prime-trilo/

Yes: ALL 3 Metroid Prime games on 1 disc for $50 with the first two adding Wii contols, widescreen support and the unlockables via tokens found in MP3.

I would have paid $60 for just the first two combined...

Metroid Prime is universally acclaimed as one of the greatest games of all time.

@fairlanefastback

IMO your advertisement comment demonstrates stupidity. Who would "market" the PS3 on an Amiga forum on a forum out of view of visitors (only viewable to those who look for it)? You are linking to this forum discussion from other websites, not me.

It also demonstrates double standards. There are several people here putting the 360 and Wii in a positive light, yet you make no similar comments with regard to those people.

I have lots of positive perspectives on the PS3 because I love its architecture and see lots of long term potential. You basically said so yourself on other forums.

With regard to sponsoring AmigaWorld, I thought something was needed to kickstart the Amiga community some more, but I think the website has been a bit too overrun by extremism, negativity and I would have expected more efforts from the staff than we see today (interviews, show reports, reviews and such).

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback IMO your advertisement comment demonstrates stupidity. Who would "market" the PS3 on an Amiga forum on a forum out of view of visitors (only viewable to those who look for it)?

Actually Yo made the initial comment now didn't she. I suppose then she is "stupid" to? (Which, can I then take it you are flaming two people, not just one?). Also you act as if you don't have a website designed to sell PS3 when you do:
http://www.funcomputing.nl/

Its not like we'd need a "MikeB loves PS3 banner".

You do spam this thread with "senseless, inane" messages, as well as direct misinformation, which given your claimed knowledge on this subject matter can, over time, be seen directly as messages to "provoke others with the intention of wasting their time and energy".

As a former mod here yourself the quoted lines should be very familiar to you, as they are from the TOS (plus the flaming bit of course).

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It also demonstrates double standards. There are several people here putting the 360 and Wii in a positive light, yet you make no similar comments with regard to those people.

None of them are going to the extremes you are Mike. Honestly, that movie studio thing took the cake. So much so that it got Yo's attention. You are obviously not interested in any kind of meaningful, open, honest conversation. I could care less which console you prefer. I own and enjoy all three and I own stock in your favorite firm even. If you were employing the same methods for the Wii or Xbox my opinion would be the same.

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I positive perspectives on the PS3 is because I love its architecture and see lots of long term potential.

Positive perspectives are one thing. Unceasing over-the-top marketing spin, bordering on lies is another. That shows a lack of respect for your fellow members and for the concept of fair and open conversation and debate.

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but I think the website has been a bit too overrun by extremism, negativity and I would have expected more efforts from the staff than we see today (interviews, show reports, reviews and such).

Ah yes, the trashing of Wegster off-board finally comes to roost back home on Amigaworld.net. If I remember correctly the accusation from you was that he did not do enough of the kind of things you did here and only posted, something you did not see as contribution. Actually the staff is hard at work on an interview with Elbox as we speak if you must know (based on a user request).

And on the subject of extremism, yes your over the top thing in this thread is bad.

On the subject of show reports I'd happily do one Mike. Unfortunately in the towering metropolis that is NYC the monthly Amiga club meeting only occurs once every 2 to 3 months at this point, and it consists of about 3 or 4 folks eating sandwiches at a local restaurant, where the guys trade stuff for free back and forth. The show schedule is kind of light where many of the staff live these days I'm afraid.

The staff here is volunteer (which you already know). And the staff is working towards improving the experience here. That said I'm not sure I'd agree with how bad you label things. Of course none of this has anything to do with your behavior here. In your typical fashion you are trying to divert the point at hand.

Now if you have *anything* to say further on these matters you will kindly take it to PM with a mod. Thank you.

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You were asked to take it to PM and did not. Not good.

I'll let the rest of the staff decide what to do with you. In the meantime your login is restricted until they decide.

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @fairlanefastback Quote: Clearly, Universal was not the only studio supporting HD-DVD exclusively in the past. You will have to look at this from a business perspective, it was known those other companies preferred Blu-Ray. But by supporting HD DVD they upped their negotiation profile, once the time was right they dropped HD DVD real hard, leaving only Universal. They got a lot of coverage from the press as well, so the HD DVD camp (basically Microsoft, Toshiba and Universal were the major players) and other supporters heaviliy relied on those swingers with regard to PR. Dropping HD DVD real hard, made things look unsustainable for HD DVD and the format died a quick death.

Blu-Ray doesn't make significant difference in console interactive gaming. Compared to AMD's Cinema 2.0, PS3’s computation wavefront doesn’t maximise the content's size. RSX’s pixel shader stalls while processing texture fetch; this reduces art asset processing capability.

Also, for CELL to process filters, alpha, blends, AA, ROPs and texture workloads would have its wings clipped i.e. not a native single cycle instruction/function.
The reason why the PS3 includes a GPU.

Refer to http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/final-fantasy-xiii-how-will-it-work-on-360-article?page=1
"Final Fantasy XIII: How Will It Work on 360?" article.

The rendering issues that befalls the PS3 and how Xbox 360’s Xenos GPU design overcomes them.

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@Hammer

Good article.
Interesting on how the 360 and PS3 get judged on their graphics and the Wii on it's controls.

At this point, I don't see a PS4 being released along side successors to the Wii and 360. As software is where the money is due to the extreme R&D costs of the PS3, perhaps they will expand the PSN to appear on MS and Nintendo hardware...

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Lou wrote: @Hammer Good article. Interesting on how the 360 and PS3 get judged on their graphics and the Wii on it's controls.

I agree. Good article discussing the 2 systems and how developers get around the limitations of both consoles.

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At this point, I don't see a PS4 being released along side successors to the Wii and 360. As software is where the money is due to the extreme R&D costs of the PS3, perhaps they will expand the PSN to appear on MS and Nintendo hardware...

If Sony doesn't release a PS4 they are DOA in so far as gaming. Though one rumor is Apple will be entering the race for home entertainment and gaming is one of the factors.

@MikeB

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Yes, I considered to sponsor the website. I thought it would be look more professional getting the required funding that way.

Why would it look more professional getting the required funding that way?

Indeed, even if that were the truth why does the site need to look "more professional", it is a forum, a portal and little else. It isn't a sales organisation or a company or anything like that.

To me it speaks volumes that the site is funded by the userbase (and unfortunately Google adverts, but the world is used to them).

So long as the staff run the site and moderate it, I see no reason why they should engage any other kind of promotional activity.

Sorry for being off topic moderators, I just couldn't sit on my hands for that one. I look forward to your reply Mike when you return.

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@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Lou Quote: Lou wrote: @Hammer Good article. Interesting on how the 360 and PS3 get judged on their graphics and the Wii on it's controls. I agree. Good article discussing the 2 systems and how developers get around the limitations of both consoles. Quote: At this point, I don't see a PS4 being released along side successors to the Wii and 360. As software is where the money is due to the extreme R&D costs of the PS3, perhaps they will expand the PSN to appear on MS and Nintendo hardware... If Sony doesn't release a PS4 they are DOA in so far as gaming. Though one rumor is Apple will be entering the race for home entertainment and gaming is one of the factors.

Intel, AMD and NVIDIA would like their respective GPUs in the next generation consoles.

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