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nikosidis 
Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pi
Posted on 26-Aug-2018 23:41:20
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@bison

I don't like to compare to original Amiga.
Better to compare against Intel or AMD CPUs.
I'm writing this right now from my AROS laptop running native
using Core2duo CPU. For sure only using one core but it is
very fast!

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Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pi
Posted on 27-Aug-2018 0:02:24
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@bison

I don't like to compare to original Amiga.
Better to compare against Intel or AMD CPUs.
I'm writing this right now from my AROS laptop running native
using Core2duo CPU. For sure only using one core but it is
very fast!

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          Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Piterminills27-Aug-2018 1:24:44
              Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pinikosidis27-Aug-2018 1:34:37


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matthey 
Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pi
Posted on 27-Aug-2018 1:39:57
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Quote:

bison wrote:
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I don't agree that "it's not safe to use a system without memory protection on the internet". Anything coming through the internet is under complete control of the internet software. Anything unsafe which is allowed is the fault of the internet software not memory protection.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the internet software" -- can you clarify this point?


Internet software is any software used on the internet including the network stack. Take a simple example of a program that sets the Amiga clock from an atomic online clock. How is malicious code going to enter, execute or crash the system if the network stack and clock setting program are robust and bug free? Even in a dangerous scenario of Javascript being allowed to run in a browser, it is possible to keep the run time environment isolated if performance is sacrificed. Every address and instruction can be checked before an instruction is executed. As long as the programs are robust and bug free there is no problem. The problem is that some internet programs are large, like browsers, and the larger the program the more difficult it is to avoid bugs. The Amiga did have some large robust programs without memory protection back when there was money and developers. Unfortunately, the quality (and quantity) of Amiga software keeps declining as the number of users and developers decline.

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If we can not use the 4 cores but only one of the ARM Cortex-A53, 1.2GHz
How fast or slow will that be?

Faster than any Commodore-era Amiga, I would think. Would be kind of a waste of resources only using one core, but at least it's a very inexpensive waste of resources, since the board is about $45 US.


The Cortex-A53 is an energy efficient 64 bit, 4 core, 8 stage in order RISC CPU that is far from high performance. The Tabor Freescale QorIQ P1022 (with PPC e500v2 cores) is a higher performance 32 bit, 2 core, 7 stage OoO RISC CPU. Both have similar clock speeds. The QorIQ P1022 CPU probably has higher single core integer performance than the Cortex-A53 but the non-standard and uncommon SPE/FPU APU and book E departure from AIM PPC makes it difficult to extract non-integer performance. I expect floating point and SIMD workloads to be faster on the Raspberry Pi. I think the Cortex-A53 would be much easier to program and is better supported. AArch64 is an improved PPC in my eyes (similar 32 bit fixed length encoding with ~32 GP registers but easier to use, better code density, more powerful addressing modes, better 32/64 bit support, etc.).

Of course the Cortex-A53 at 1.2GHz would outperform any C= era Amiga CPU. The 68060 could probably come close in single core integer performance per MHz for programs completely in the caches. It wouldn't take much of a rework and die shrinks to outperform a Cortex-A53. The 68060 outperformed many of the RISC CPUs of its time while using less resources and often less energy.

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      Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry PiAdvancedFollower27-Aug-2018 9:19:37
          Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Piwawa27-Aug-2018 9:44:58
              Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Piterminills27-Aug-2018 11:51:56
                  Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Piwawa27-Aug-2018 12:30:13
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                          Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry PiOlafS2527-Aug-2018 12:40:08
                              Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Piterminills27-Aug-2018 12:59:32
                                  Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry PiOlafS2527-Aug-2018 13:01:52
                                      Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pinikosidis27-Aug-2018 14:04:36
                          Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pimegol27-Aug-2018 19:01:24
          Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pimatthey27-Aug-2018 23:45:43
      Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry PiOldAmigan27-Aug-2018 9:50:29
          Re: ARPi - AROS on Raspberry Pinikosidis27-Aug-2018 12:08:09



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