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Perhaps RGL doesn't actually believe them to provide a valid license...

Plus they shouldn't need it as Cloanto/Amiga Corp have the rights to 3.1!

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AmigaOs 3.1 has been liberated, BigotD.

Sources flow free as a fresh torrent that anyone can drink from to quench their thirst for...

... for a nearly uncompilable mess of antiquate and broken code that requires long gone toolchains and supports a single dead architecture.

SPASTICS! It is you, you all making AmigaOs 3.1 "copyrighted".
You all, by collectively buying into this delusion, make it real.

When will you ever stop enabling this miserable parade of men-children to keep playing their game of pretend! WHEN!

/MEGA

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AmigaOs 3.1 has been liberated, BigotD.

this is not allright

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pixie wrote: @MEGA_RJ_MICAL Quote: AmigaOs 3.1 has been liberated, BigotD. this is not allright

Correct, friend Pixie,
I have long been saying it:

BigotD is not allright.

/mrjm

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@The Moderators

Since the REPORT button still doesn't work....

I report this trolling, libellous, drama seeking, 'Violent Ken' guy! It's the Amiga's 40th birthday and he's touting piracy of WB 3.1 as a valid option and continuing with his divisive poetic drivel. If any moderator still exists we'd best be rid of this Mr Biffo wannabe before he drives any remaining Amigans from this creaking Titanic of an Amiga site!


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QUOTE: Violent Ken maskerading as RJ Mical

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Back on topic:

I pray as many of us do, that Amiga Corp have managed to license OS3.1 to RGL with full Workbench environment and some creative programs for THEA1200. The Settlers 2 bundling is also a great start for the included games.

Thanks @MagicSN for all you hard work!

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Ah, you BELIEVED RGL Hyperion is the reason for lateness? How gullible are you?

Why not? That _someone_ went "nurdge nudge... ehm legal status" on Hyperion's behalf - not towards RGL, but one or more of their contractors - isn't exactly incredible, it is quite likely. Do you understand? Not Hyperion themselves causing the "lateness", but someone who sees value in slowing RGL down by doing some stealthy "FUD nudging" towards RGL's contractors.

Now who in our... sphere... have the means, motives and connections do to a stunt like that?

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Hyperion BTW already offered RGL a OS licence long ago, but RGL does not answer them.

Why would they, Hyperion cannot offer what they require, specifically kickstart 34.005 for A500 and 40.068 for A1200, _for emulation use_. Didn't you read the 2009 settlement? Have you not read what Thomas Richter has been preaching since OS 3.1.4 was announced? Have you not read the EULA of OS 3.1.4 and 3.2?

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BigD wrote: @The Moderators he's touting piracy of WB 3.1 as a valid option

No, he's pointing out the fact that OS 3.1 sources are already out there for anyone who wish to peek... many have, and several of them eventually ended up as "OS team" now with NDA's and all signed with Hyperion.

(Apropos, I've had this signature for how many years now? What did you guess it was?)

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MEGA_RJ_MICAL wrote: SPASTICS! It is you, you all making AmigaOs 3.1 "copyrighted". You all, by collectively buying into this delusion, make it real. When will you ever stop enabling this miserable parade of men-children to keep playing their game of pretend! WHEN! /MEGA

You are absolutely correct.

There are two wolves: One is 'open source' where anyone can participate in the free exchange of ideas, the other is 'gatekeeping' where the person with the ball can at any point decide to take it home and no one gets to play.

Which do you feed?


(HINT: It's not the latter)

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MagicSN wrote: @cdimauro I actually agree with you and have written to Simon about the System Requirement stuff. It is also my own fault though, I could not see this issue when they gave me the system requirements for review (and also overlooked the other small issues like 600 MB HD Space needed and the 32/64 MB stuff). Target resolutions are 320x256, 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768. Realistic for good playing experience is: 320x256: 40 MHz 040, 50 MHz 060 (very strong gfx card possibly also 640x480) 640x480: 100 MHz 060, PiStorm with Pi2, Lowend PPC Hardware (175 MHz 603e or such) 800x600: Apollo Vampire V4 (V2 was not speedtested but I expect to run 640x480 at minimum 1024x768: 400/800 MHz PPC, PiStorm Pi3, PiStorm Pi4, PiStorm Cm4, most AmigaOS4 machines (some of the oldest maybe only 800x600 or something), MacMini with MorphOS (running WarpUP version)

Thanks for the update. I always like to have clear and transparent information: I think that it's a must be for customers, then it's up to them to decide what to do.
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Note that several AGA Users already commented that they like the Lowres Look (on 1084 monitor). Actually I can fully understand it, it definitely gives this retro feel. When I first had the lowres version running I thought "wow, that strongly reminds of Settlers 1 on the Classic".

Yes, because of the "CRT effect" with scanlines. It certainly has its charm, but today it is possible to faithfully emulate that too: technology is advancing.
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As to Matt I assume he just cannot handle that I work with people on both sides of this dispute (actually with more than two sides, on RetroArch projects for example I also do a MorphOS version - of retroarch, not settlers 2 - and try to do a AROS RetroArch as well. As to that my association with Hyperion (as publisher of other games of mine) having any influence - I do not agree. In the opposite - stepping back from Hyperrion would definitely have a negative influence on OS4 community. MagicSN

I know your efforts to cover all platforms, and I appreciate. Honestly, I wouldn't have worked for such very small niches where you can gain only a small amount of money. It's evident that the rest is "paid" by your passion.

To my the only thing is that I consider Hyperion too much toxic for the post-Commodore situation, and I boycott anything which allows this nefarious company to gain money to continue its dirty activities (the RGL issue being only the last one).

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kolla wrote: @MagicSN Quote: Hyperion BTW already offered RGL a OS licence long ago, but RGL does not answer them. Why would they, Hyperion cannot offer what they require, specifically kickstart 34.005 for A500 and 40.068 for A1200, _for emulation use_. Didn't you read the 2009 settlement?

Indeed. It's one of things which is 100% sure: emulation -> Cloanto has EXCLUSIVE rights.

Which also means that no such ROMs can be used on RunInUAE or similar products.
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Have you not read what Thomas Richter has been preaching since OS 3.1.4 was announced? Have you not read the EULA of OS 3.1.4 and 3.2?

No. Could you please report them?

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Why not? That _someone_ went "nurdge nudge... ehm legal status" on Hyperion's behalf - not towards RGL, but one or more of their contractors - isn't exactly incredible, it is quite likely. Do you understand? Not Hyperion themselves causing the "lateness", but someone who sees value in slowing RGL down by doing some stealthy "FUD nudging" towards RGL's contractors. Now who in our... sphere... have the means, motives and connections do to a stunt like that?

RGL claims there were attempts to keep THEA500 Mini out of the Amiga market which were unsuccessful too. They claim similar attempts were successful to delay THEA1200 Maxi by coercing RGL partners. We do not know for sure these claims are true but we do know that RGL has little to gain from such claims and the Hyperion A-EonKit syndicate modus operandi includes coercion and collusion. For all the Hyperion A-EonKit criminality for over a decade, they still have profitability issues but believe more criminality will solve their problems including a broken business model. It just makes them incompetent criminals that may go to prison for losing money. Christian "Peri" Simpson should make a video/movie called "Amiga's Dumbest Criminals" that could be shown in the upcoming jury trial as well as all over the internet. It would be an ingenious way to gain Mike's favor for joining forces and potentially businesses. Enough exposure may result in even incompetent criminals going to prison.

Sam Bankman-Fried
o wire fraud (2 counts)
o conspiracy to commit wire fraud (2 counts)
o conspiracy to commit securities fraud
o conspiracy to commit commodities fraud
o conspiracy to commit money laundering
25 year prison sentence

Ben Hermans
o conspired to steal AmigaOS 4 and Amiga IP with Trevor
o embezzlement of bank funds from A-Eon Belgium
o forgery/fraud of bank notes as part of embezzlement
o making false statement and possible perjury in several cases
o created shell business and illegally transferred assets to avoid loss in bankruptcy (security fraud?)
o possibly tax evasion involved with his businesses including the shell business
o possibly tax evasion involved with Artes Law and Nele Somers (limited info on trial unfortunately)
free pass and still practicing law

I can imagine Ben Hermans telling Sam Bankman-Fried his criminal offenses which impresses Sam, especially with how long he got away with them. Sam then says I stole about $11 billion USD, how much did you steal?

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Why would they, Hyperion cannot offer what they require, specifically kickstart 34.005 for A500 and 40.068 for A1200, _for emulation use_. Didn't you read the 2009 settlement? Have you not read what Thomas Richter has been preaching since OS 3.1.4 was announced? Have you not read the EULA of OS 3.1.4 and 3.2?

Hyperion may be able to license RGL enough Amiga IP for AmigaOS 3.1 or 68k AmigaOS 4. Compatibility without older Kickstart/ROMs for WHDLoad would be reduced but may be adequate. Games usually can be patched to work under AmigaOS 3.1 but with many problems, it is easier to use an older Kickstart.

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Indeed. It's one of things which is 100% sure: emulation -> Cloanto has EXCLUSIVE rights. Which also means that no such ROMs can be used on RunInUAE or similar products.

There were other licenses from Amiga Inc used for "emulation" according to Exhibit 1 of the 2009 Amiga Inc v Hyperion VOF settlement agreement. At least 3 of those licenses are for an "indefinite term" and 2 are listed as "Worldwide". The settlement agreement grants an "exclusive" license to the "Software" defined as AmigaOS 3.1 to Hyperion but "Without prejudice to any Existing License Agreements listed in Exhibit 1". If exclusive means no new licenses for AmigaOS 3.1 and Amiga Inc could not use AmigaOS 3.1 themselves, there are still at least 5 licensees that may still have valid licenses to use the AmigaOS, including for emulation. However, Hyperion has no license to use the AmigaOS or Kickstarts/ROMs before AmigaOS 3.1 from CBM in 1994.

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Updated my site to include The A1200, https://amigang.com/the-a1200/

Loads of photo of the prototype case.

Also found a vid from Gamescon25, that shows the video playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzTW-scS6-Q

It looks like the system has just as many ports as the A500 mini, 3 usb, 1 hdmi, and usb c for power, I think the last thing is a switch, it could be Ethernet, but I doubt that this device will have internet on it as that would increase costs.

I think price will be key, I mean for 560 euros you can buy a A1200 case from a1200.net get a keyboard from amigastore.eu and get A1200NG board from a1200.com and you have likly a better system, or swap out the a1200ng board for a pi4/5 and Amiga keyboard to USB adapter likly do the build for under 500.

Or like I said before, if your not fussed in the eye candy, you can pick up a pi400 secondhand now for less than £50 on eBay, bargain for a all in one great system, or a pi500 for £85.

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BigD wrote: @pixie Quote: Perhaps RGL doesn't actually believe them to provide a valid license... Plus they shouldn't need it as Cloanto/Amiga Corp have the rights to 3.1!

Cloanto/Amiga Corp has the IP rights to Escom AG's AmigaOS 3.2 (reached developer release state) and rebuilt AmigaOS 3.9-based distro i.e. KickStart 3.X/Workbench 3.X since Haage & Partner's AmigaOS 3.9 was rendered unlicensed IP due to H&P not paying AmigaOS license fees to Amiga Inc.

Amiga Inc has decanonized Haage & Partner's AmigaOS 3.9, hence Cloanto had to obtain additional license rights to build its AmigaOS 3.9-based distro. Cloanto has replaced Haage & Partner on the AmigaOS 3.9 level release.

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What do you mean with "front-end GUI wall software issue" ?

The custom front GUI on top of Amiberry.

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btw-there is no existing trademark for A1200 at uspto unless their website search is incorrrect. The only listed filing, which would no doubt be seeking "registration" as an end goal, is from Amiga Corporation.

Update from uspto on the Amiga Corporation filing for the "A1200" trademark filing:

After an amendment was made to the wording, the trademark filing passed the initial phase of "no conflict" with any existing trademark.

I expect it will soon be published in the gazette, at which time the opposition period begins.

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