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I've chosen "news" for this as the Amigaworld website is such a mess presently, and I can't find a more appropriate place for this:

Post taken from RGL facebook today

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the ongoing legal disputes between Hyperion Entertainment and the Amiga parties are preventing us from proceeding

etc.

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I've been informed that the Hyperion response to Paul Andrews has been taken down from Facebook.

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Note: thread moved from "news" to "amiga emulation" without notice. So the site does have active "moderator"?

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Facebook link to hundreds of comments

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I called THE A1200 over THE A600. Good choice as it is more popular and marketable despite the extra size and cost. There are several people asking about CD support in the comments, more than about floppy support. The CD32 is still the best Amiga game platform because of the CD and is easier and cheaper to build but the A1200 is more marketable. An A1200 with CD-ROM replacement for the floppy would work too although it may be difficult to maintain support for a floppy that some people would want, especially without Ethernet/WiFi support. That lead to the real problem. It is what is inside that counts not the facade on the outside. The legal battles continue wasting resources while the 68k heart and Amiga chipset soul of the Amiga are missing inside. Well, the Amiga parties are being careful about using even the Commodore AmigaOS while Hyperion/A-EonKit have gradually expanded their challenge of Amiga IP ownership over time to become blatantly obvious, open, arrogant and hostile. I do not understand why anyone would buy the products of the Amiga usurpers.

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I've been informed that the Hyperion response to Paul Andrews has been taken down from Facebook.

What was the comment about that was taken down?

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Facebook link to hundreds of comments

Some of the more interesting comments so far follow.

Jiří Vrba Quote:

A1200 is best Amiga ever, that is so cool. The worst thing is that Hyperion's poison has been poisoning the Amiga scene for decades. I wish they would finally break up forever... Steffen Häuser Quote: Jiří Vrbathe question is whose poison it is. There are often too sides of a story (myselves in the meantime i believe both sides believe doing the best for Amiga - actually from Hyperion i KNOW they do as i know these people personally from the other side i just ASSUME so - and that the other side winning would be the end of the Amiga)

Koen De Brabander Quote:

Having known Timothy De Groote for years, I can hardly believe that no gentle solution is possible.

Yanni Xaperol Quote:

I'd love to know who is funding Hyperion Entertainment's spurious lawsuits over the years. Surely they should have run out of money by now from their endless bullshit legal pursuits?

Anders Kjeldsen Quote:

I wonder how much money has been spent on legal fees in this tiny market.

Peter Koen Quote:

THE A1200 maxi what a great choise. The Beautiful swan song of Commodore to be revived is a dream come true. Wasn’t Hyperion insolvent and managed by a Liquidator last summer following the implosion of Ben Hermans BV? Is this blocking tactic now the result of Timothy De Groote's new leadership? perhaps as he's only been in since december lets hope the dust settles soon and an agreement can be made.

While Amigaworld.net is practically dead and seemingly unmoderated against malicious attacks, there are already 264 comments, 93 shares and 1k reactions on Facebook in less than a day. Hyperion/A-EonKit was winning the PR and propaganda battle for many years but I believe the tide has long since turned against them as the truth and their motives have been revealed. PPC AmigaNOne was not enough as they have moved in on the retro 68k Amiga market to survive while continuing to sabotage other (competitive) 68k Amiga development they once pretended to support.

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What was the comment about that was taken down?

I just mentioned it:

Here

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I just mentioned it: Here

Thanks. I do not understand why the Hyperion comment would have been removed by Facebook unless Hyperion removed it themselves. I can see RGL not being in contact with Hyperion if all they want to use is AmigaOS 3.1 and earlier. There could still be ongoing negotiations just not directly between RGL and Hyperion. I have heard rumors that Hyperion refuses to even talk to the Amiga parties though.

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I added an alternative since you read the eab thread.

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Hi Retro Games, As you know, Hyperion Entertainment underwent a change in ownership and management in December last year. So far, we — the new owners and management — have not been contacted by you in any way. That is how it is, but just to set the record straight: We have nothing against what you want to do and would be happy to start discussions. Have a nice day! Best regards, Hyperion Entertainment

Two things don’t make sense, one if Hyperion have not been contacted for the past 2 months since change in management, then retro games ltd, has kinda not made too much effort in getting this product out.

Secondly, Hyperion saying, “we have nothing against what you want to do and would be happy to start discussions.� Then what is there to discuss? Shouldn’t this point just end with, “we have nothing against what you want do. Have a nice day�

My guess is both side interpretation of who owns what is still a mess and legal rights to the AmigaOS needs to be discussed.

Plus also it to be called The A1200. Doesn’t somehow Amigakit own the A1200 trademark at least here in the uk, could that cause issue? https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003298029

I mean I wish we live in a world where cool Amiga products could come to market without any legal mess stopping it, I mean we gotten a lot closer to that world largely thanks to effort of Aros, that allowed vampire, a600gs and other project to happen.

So I think the longer this legal mess over who owns what goes on the more and more less important I think these right holder are becoming. Which is kinda funny.

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Two things don’t make sense, one if Hyperion have not been contacted for the past 2 months since change in management, then retro games ltd, has kinda not made too much effort in getting this product out.

It's not their job to do so, this is the job of - as stated - Cloanto/Amiga.

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Secondly, Hyperion saying, “we have nothing against what you want to do and would be happy to start discussions.� Then what is there to discuss? Shouldn’t this point just end with, “we have nothing against what you want do. Have a nice day�

Indeed, but as you see, they still are in the habit of "involving" themselves into whatever.

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My guess is both side interpretation of who owns what is still a mess and legal rights to the AmigaOS needs to be discussed.

I don't see why Hyperion would be involved in this, unless to stirr up som FUD.

The emulated market of "official" AmigaOS 1.0-3.1 is clearly all Cloanto's anyhow.

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Plus also it to be called The A1200. Doesn’t somehow Amigakit own the A1200 trademark at least here in the uk, could that cause issue? https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003298029

Yes, and with this A1200, they will be losing that trademark, which should surprise noone. All their trademarking of "all" Amiga models is pretty worthless as they will never manage to protect them, there are just so many cases to point at of these "trademarks" being in common use since long before AmigaKit trademarked anything. I have a few boxes with products named "A1200", such as for example the BitFrost A1200.

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If Retro releases an A1200 that delivers a reasonable Amiga experience, I’m buying it.

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More new posts in the EAB thread for those following the topic:

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As to the quote to Koen De Brabander:

>Having known Timothy De Groote for years, I can hardly believe that no gentle solution is possible.

I think the assumption that no gentle solution is possible is wrong. I actually asked Hyperion today, and they said they would be open to licencing AmigaOS to them. this would also have the advantage of giving them OS3.2 instead of some old version.

I hope they do the sensible thing and contact Hyperion on licencing so THEA1200 can be released ASAP, I think the system has great potential. Especially as it not only targets the Amiga market but also retro people from outside. THEA1200 with OS3.2 which I think most people on 68k camp use would really be THEA1200.

I did not actually ask if they were contacted, but I suspect they weren't.

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3.2 is not an advantage in this scenario, rather the contrary.

If you don’t know, this is a Linux system with a fancy whdload frontend. No whdload games will ever load any 3.2 kickstart, they are pretty much locked to either A1200 v40.068 or A500 v34.5

The problem here is Hyperion claiming they need to be contacted and agreed with about stuff they have zero possession over.

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I’m curious why 3.9 hasn’t been dusted off as a viable option for classic Amiga unless it can’t be licensed for whatever reason. I guess the company that released it won’t allow it?

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That’s what 3.2 is.

And again - for RGL A1200, it is pointless.

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Oh, so 3.2 is based off 3.9?

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At least at my point of information the "zero posession" part is wrong.

As to many whdload games - yes, probably you need another kickstart option to load on there then.

Still to be able to use the system as a "big" A1200 not only as a whdload launcher would I think enhance the system. Give it extra value. I have a Pi5 system in the same vein - can launch whdload games, but at the same time can be used as a "big" Amiga.

I am actually thinking of getting one

As I understand it Hyperion only have rights to AmigaOs3.1, so cant cloanto bundle AmigaOS 3.0 or previous OS with the system?

Or if the AmigaOS name or code is in dispute, they could pull the same trick as Amigakit, and make Aros the OS, maybe even able to call it Workbench 4. That would annoy everyone!

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You worry too much. (grin)

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At least at my point of information the "zero posession" part is wrong.

Then your point of information is wrong.

Cloanto got an exclusive right to distribute anything OS 3.x and earlier for emulation use long before Hyperion even existed. Even ThoR agreed to this.

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