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Itunes or some like that
Posted on 14-Feb-2005 15:53:39
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OK how about porting Itunes to Amiga os 4?
is it hard to do if given the rights to do it from Appel ?
or how about an itunes clone wiht a good play list thing
mplayer is an real good mp3 player so it shud be posible too use mplayer and "just program a play list thingy lol who here is up for the job`?

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OK how about porting Itunes to Amiga os 4?

How about porting Microsoft Word?
How about developing a "money maker" to use with AmigaOne?

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>OK how about porting Itunes to Amiga os 4?

I'd like to see this done also, but Apple ain't gonna do it for free and who's up for paying Apple's license or contract work fee to make it happen?

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OK how about porting Itunes to Amiga os 4?

How about porting Microsoft Word?
How about developing a "money maker" to use with AmigaOne?


yeah that be kinda cool but dont like microsoft

but a big name in the amiga market that is something that wee need
but also get some of the big free sotwere like Itunes

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>OK how about porting Itunes to Amiga os 4?

I'd like to see this done also, but Apple ain't gonna do it for free and who's up for paying Apple's license or contract work fee to make it happen?


U realy think thay apple is that gredy ?
hope not

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>U realy think thay apple is that gredy ?

You think they'll give away source code to anyone for free? You think they'll give away their DRM technolgy for free? You think they'll risk the "safety" of their DRM technology by sharing it widely with anyone who asks for the source code to it? Charging license fees helps prevent the dishonorable people from gaining access to things they intend to ruin. With so many outsiders believing that piracy killed the Amiga platform (rather than the more accurate blame going to Commodore managment), they won't want to take a risk without some sort of assurance that someone offering to port something like that is professional and honorable in their intentions and who believes they have a viable business model and believs in it enough to fork over a big chunk of cash.

Since anyone porting iTunes to AmigaOS wouldn't be making money off song sales, and AmigaOS users would not be willing to buy the iTunes client because it's unfair that Mac and Windows users get the client for free, I don't see a viable business in porting this.

However...

What I myself would like to see, which could give us the use of iTunes, is a MacOS API wrapper to AmigaOS comparable to what Wine is for Linux. This could give us much more than iTunes as well. There are of course interested parties that may prefer this not to happen, as they want to port games and/or applications as a money-making business. I don't think that a MacOS API wrapper completely conflicts with those parties' interests, as there are still plenty of games and apps for PCs that never make it to MacOS for them to port to AmigaOS, and an Amiga-native port would have better performance than a MacOS-native binary via API wrapper thing. But lack of an API wrapper prevents many things from being POSSIBLE for users of AmigaOS such as iTunes, income tax software like TaxCut for Mac used in USA, and various other things that I'm currently stuck using a Windows PC for instead as I don't have a Mac yet.

Could this be a suitable alternative to a native port of iTunes? Would anyone be interested in working on this? Is such a thing even doable considering the differences from the Mac API to ours? (see "fork" issue with native ports of many open-source programs from Linux land as an example)

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I've never seen iTunes - what does it do that makes it so special?
(Honest question - perhaps just requiring a list of bullet points in response...)

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I've never seen iTunes - what does it do that makes it so special?
(Honest question - perhaps just requiring a list of bullet points in response...)



um for start the internet radio thingy
second the catogory play list and the nice grafix um u know listen to some judas ####ing priest metal and so some work on my home and have that grafix flying on the screen its nice
but mostlyit is the play list and fast mp3 convertion thingy

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in short lots of smal thingys in itunes make itunes good

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but a big name in the amiga market that is something that wee need


This won't happen without serious investment from the parent company. I'm not saying that it is impossible - just very unlikely.

Cool avatar BTW.

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but a big name in the amiga market that is something that wee need


This won't happen without serious investment from the parent company. I'm not saying that it is impossible - just very unlikely.

Cool avatar BTW.


yeah thats probely right
ok we are geting real 3d and thats a "big" name so but wee neeed more

and yes megatron is cool

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Legal music online for little money.

The biggest online shop in few months

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You know what Troll. I was thinking this EXACT same thing only the other week. So much so that I contacted someone to find out their thoughts on it.

Afterwards, I was thinking about some sort of 'Playlist' GUI. A kind of Media Library that could house every type of Media on your system; Audio, Video, Images & whatever else... This could then launch your preferred player/viewer for the filetype selected.

I vote for Denill, the man behind the MPLayer GUI How bout it buddy? I have some nifty ideas in mind for you to play with

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You know what Troll. I was thinking this EXACT same thing only the other week. So much so that I contacted someone to find out their thoughts on it.

Afterwards, I was thinking about some sort of 'Playlist' GUI. A kind of Media Library that could house every type of Media on your system; Audio, Video, Images & whatever else... This could then launch your preferred player/viewer for the filetype selected.

I vote for Denill, the man behind the MPLayer GUI How bout it buddy? I have some nifty ideas in mind for you to play with

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wow
yeah that.
mplayer shud be up to the job it dam good at playing movies and also mp3 the only thing it needs to be an "media"plyer is some sourt of play list thingy id kill for that


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I remember writing an article for my website advocating the very same thing - but rather than a port, starting a'fresh with AmiTunes:



Unfortunately, I no longer have access to the article (I think it's on my A1200), but it basically stated that we have all the components ready (cddb.library, mpega.library, cdplay.library, MUI/Reaction, LAME/BladeEnc etc.) to put together our very own iTunes. Some form of CD writing would also need to be built, but the rest of it is there.

Please note: I am not a developer. This was merely a user's idea of what could be achieved with the tools we have.
If anyone wants to use this idea, please do! The only thing I ask for is a small mention in a readme/documentation.

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I remember writing an article for my website advocating the very same thing - but rather than a port, starting a'fresh with AmiTunes:



Unfortunately, I no longer have access to the article (I think it's on my A1200), but it basically stated that we have all the components ready (cddb.library, mpega.library, cdplay.library, MUI/Reaction, LAME/BladeEnc etc.) to put together our very own iTunes. Some form of CD writing would also need to be built, but the rest of it is there.

Please note: I am not a developer. This was merely a user's idea of what could be achieved with the tools we have.
If anyone wants to use this idea, please do! The only thing I ask for is a small mention in a readme/documentation.


yeah that look s cool and nice I oreder some one to start work now

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I've never seen iTunes - what does it do that makes it so special?

- Its got a genuinely lovely UI.
- It integrates with the ITMS music store.
- It connects to iPods.
- It automatically converts WMA and other outside formats to AAC or MP3.
- It makes CD ripping and buring a breeze.
- Easy access to internet radio.
- Smart playlists (such as "not played yet", "most played", "everything in these genres" etc)
- Keeps all of your music organised in one place.
- Nice visualisations.
- etc

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A lot of people say MusicMatch Jukebox is better than iTunes

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A lot of people says that windows is better than AOS. So what?

I like the idea of an amiga-specific program wich is similar to iTunes. With a ReAction GUI. That would make me happy.

In the meantime Aminet Radio works pretty well for streaming audio.

What I miss most is a program to burn MP3s with. MakeCD doesn't work very well for that in AOS 4.

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Bingo - thanks! I wanted a list of what the program does, in effect a requirements list.

My understanding was that it was just a media player; Troll's response backed this up - and it didn't sound anything different to something like WMP or WinAMP in the Windoze world... which theoretically wouldn't be difficult to achieve on the Amiga.

The other stuff? Well, IMO I'd like a modular system, perhaps as reusable libraries?
- one library that controls the playlists, and provides the "not heard recently", "most listened to", "highest ratings" etc. automatic lists
- one library that performs track conversion; perhaps an AREXX link to another program that specialises in doing so? I'm sure we've got several good candidates.
- one library that burns CDs (again, using AREXX?), or copies tracks to removable media or connected devices?
- one library for visualisations (could be re-used as a screen-saver?)
- an DAB/internet radio library (AREXX to AminetRadio?)

It doesn't (in my simplistic world) sound all that complicated. What else can iTunes do that makes it so special?

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Yes, but that's not all, is it? Just that one feature hasn't made iTunes the "killer application" of the year...

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