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jahc 
Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 2-Oct-2005 13:59:36
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People are saying the Amy wont fit in a standard MiniITX case with its two PCI slots. I just had a brain wave: I think they're going to have a custom case. *EDIT: I've changed my mind on that*

Also, I bet they're going to have different models with different speed cpus too. Something low end, and something a bit better. (I have no inside information, I'm just guessing.)

If they release an Amy thats faster than an A1 I'll probably grab it, as I dont care about 3d performance, but things CPU intensive stuff like MAME would be better. Also I have slight stability issues which I havent resolved yet.

"Estimated Amy production run 2005".. Only 2 months left to go before we know more about these mysterious boards. hehe

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Pentrite 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@jahc

I think they don't have the resources nor they would be willing to risk a custom case or different models with different CPU speeds. If they deliver a entry level board at a reasonable price thats enough for me. After all I only had a A600 in the good old days, and I was very happy with it. ( still have it somewhere, have to try it one of these days...)

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@jahc

I dont see why a mini-itx board wouldn't fit in an ATX case....

If its fabbed that way.

An ATX case would drown it !!



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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@jahc

Remember that Tsi107 may work with "G4" but as it doesn't support all the bus features it would be a waste, so they'll probably release only "G3" cpus.

I don't think that there is much price difference between a 750FX@600Mhz and a 750GX@933Mhz model to justify the added complexity of changing components when they are producing the board.

If I were Troika I would only produce a run of passively cooled G3... 750GX/800Mhz (if these can be passively cooled with a big heatsink) or maybe slightly slower if passive cooling requires it.

Requiring no fan is a great selling point


@The_Editor

The problem may exist only if you fill both pci slots, if you only use the lower one it would fit without problems.

Last edited by Crumb on 02-Oct-2005 at 02:51 PM.

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herewegoagain 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@jahc

Or, they could be used in standard cases with the use of a couple of these flexable risers:



That would be my bet, although a custom case would be cool.

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 2-Oct-2005 16:45:28
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@Pentrite

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After all I only had a A600 in the good old days, and I was very happy with it. ( still have it somewhere, have to try it one of these days...)


Oh, man I always wanted an A600.. They were so cute.... Imagine if you could fit one of these mobos in an A600 like case. The smaller the thing is the easier it is to justify it's specs.... It's like,
"what did you expect?... Look how small and cute the thing is."
Also, smaller usually means more high tech... at least in some people's minds.
Take the Mac Mini. Everyone wants one because it's cute. Now imagine an A600 beside it. What's cooler? What's cuter? A little box? Or a little keyboard? You could still plug a bigger keyboard in if you wanted. Well, in the absence of a laptop this thing would be cool.

Still, I just want a case that looks like it could be a legitimate Amiga.
Oh, and don't get me started on a nostalgia rant.

Ok. Going back to my happy place now.
We have no hotdogs!!! Can we make the buns smaller???

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Moxee 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@jahc

Or, they could be used in standard cases with the use of a couple of these flexable risers:



That would be my bet, although a custom case would be cool.


Oh, I've never seen those. From http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ ?

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 2-Oct-2005 22:01:38
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@jahc

Evidence suggests the safest way to use an NG-amiga is caseless in a dorm. Even thieves seem to pass them up in this configuration.

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 2-Oct-2005 22:09:34
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A600s?

How much can you get in em???

http://www.amiga600.net

http://www.amiga600.de

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ChrisH 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@The_Editor, who said "I dont see why a mini-itx board wouldn't [couldn't] fit in an ATX case...."
Yes, but why go to the bother of making it mini-itx sized, if you intend to use it only for larger cases? Seems a bit perverse if you ask me. Also, more compact PCBs (below a certain limit) are much harder to design & manufacture, and hence cost more. Wasn't cheapness supposed to be an aim?

BTW, where can I find this sketch of the mobo? I've never seen any link to it.

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@Crumb

I'm not a smart person, and i might be wrong, but for it seems like that
TSI107 will support G4 prosessors. Like i said before, maybe i'm not understanding
all specs of TSI107, but at least in here
http://www.tundra.com/Products/PowerPC/Tsi107/index.cfm
they say that it will fit???

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herewegoagain 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 3-Oct-2005 11:24:58
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@Moxee

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Oh, I've never seen those. From http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ ?


I guess that is where the image is, but I really thought I got that "for sale" link somewhere else. Just Google for PCI flexable risers, and you should get plenty of hits.

Oh yeah, here is the link:

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/default.asp?c=8

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Moxee 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 3-Oct-2005 23:48:32
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Quote:

Herewegoagain wrote:
@Moxee

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Oh, I've never seen those. From http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ ?


I guess that is where the image is, but I really thought I got that "for sale" link somewhere else. Just Google for PCI flexable risers, and you should get plenty of hits.

Oh yeah, here is the link:

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/default.asp?c=8


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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 3-Oct-2005 23:58:36
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@Jape

Tsi107 supports G4, but it doesn't take advantage of G4's MPX bus, so it's limited to slower transfers.

For G4 it's better to use DiscoveryIII or TSi108...

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
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@Crumb

Well.. The Artcia S doesn't either so..

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Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 4-Oct-2005 2:39:30
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@ChrisH

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@The_Editor, who said "I dont see why a mini-itx board wouldn't [couldn't] fit in an ATX case...."
Yes, but why go to the bother of making it mini-itx sized, if you intend to use it only for larger cases? Seems a bit perverse if you ask me. Also, more compact PCBs (below a certain limit) are much harder to design & manufacture, and hence cost more. Wasn't cheapness supposed to be an aim?

BTW, where can I find this sketch of the mobo? I've never seen any link to it.


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Rudei 
Re: Troika Amy speculation..
Posted on 4-Oct-2005 7:43:46
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@Moxee

That is a cool beard!

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ChrisH 
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Posted on 4-Oct-2005 11:40:26
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@Herewegoagain
That DPaint-style drawing of the Troika mobo is funny :) - it's what I'd expect from someone with no access to CAD tools!

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Posted on 4-Oct-2005 13:26:39
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@ChrisH

Wouldn't the display of a circuit diagram (if I get you right) spill some beans that Troika is likely to want unspilled?

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