@all

Personally, I just can't see what Amiga inc are gonna get out of this. In terms of PR its a complete disaster. What is gonna happen to Amiga OS4 now? will the SAM 440EP come out for OS4 now? what about the Amy? What about Classic users? What the heck is going on? why can't people in the amiga industry just try and work together for a common cause, I despair at Amiga inc, they ignore us for ages, then all of a sudden they come back, team up with Ack controls who has a chequered history and no proven delivery record.

Honestly, this whole saga is making Commodore's old management look totally wonderful.

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here's some nice PR for all

I'm suprised it wasn't posted here yet.

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Manu wrote: Pleased to inform you.... ..we are going to be at the laughing stock at OS News again. OS News Link

Awwwwwwwwwwwww. That's really embarrassing.

The "new hardware!" story, and the "we're suing the people who made our OS for us!" story are both on the front page.

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@Hans

Question is:- Is it Bill pulling the strings here or is it the investors / board members behind the scenes. I guess they may have grown tired of waiting and want some action now and a clear defined path forward, hence the contract termination and now the law suit.

Its taken 5 years due to a shoe string budget for Hyperion to get this far and I fear that some fat cat shirt on the Amiga board only sees $$$$$$$ and doesn't care if hyperion get screwed over.

This should be settled out of court I agree.

A settlement is the only clearway forward for the platform to flourish again.

A way forward I would like to see, if Amiga are adamant they want thier own hardware (read ack), is let Amiga do the hardware and Hyperion to the OS.

OK so that may put ACube and Troika out of running, but the end result to the consumer is the same, new hardware + os4 shipping together.
Hyperion stay in business as the developers of OS4 and Amiga do the hardware.

Heck they could have multiple models based on the supplier.
One model could be ACK and another model could be a SAM.

Essentially rebadged hardware under the Amiga brand and Hyperion do the porting to these boards.

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Think Hyperion feel a bit betrayed by Adam/ack?

In what way have I betrayed Hyperion? I have had nothing to do with the lawsuit. Personally, I have an oppinion on how it will turn out, but as I said, it's only an oppinion. I'm actually happy that the lawsuit has started as it will finally bring some conclusion to the whole affair.

Without clear ownership of OS4 or it's components, it has made it impossible to move forward with new hardware. Both Amiga Inc. and Hyperion's views differ on the topic of ownership and the only way to resolve that is by using legal channels. I've seen this coming for years as I have interacted with both parties.

My oppinion on the matter is as follows:

1) OS4 is a derived work from Amiga Inc. IP. I'm not saying that the people who have contributed to its' development don't deserve compensation, I'm merely stating a fact.

2) The original contract included a buy-back clause. As to what that entails......it's hard to say, but that six month time frame from the official release is approaching. I guess the lawsuit will determine that.

Did I betray Hyperion? No, not at all. What has hurt Hyperion is working on something for five years with a $25,000 buyback clause. Maybe if OS4 was released when it was supposed to $25,000 "might" have been appropriate, but definately not after five years worth of work.

The only other item I can point to is the issue with Zeta. Oddly, Bernd Korz is in the same situation as Hyperion. It will be interesting to see the outcome of both cases.

Adam

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D'OH

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ackcontrls wrote: My oppinion on the matter is as follows: 1) OS4 is a derived work from Amiga Inc. IP. I'm not saying that the people who have contributed to its' development don't deserve compensation, I'm merely stating a fact.

So, Amiga pulls their head out of the sand when it suits them. What an easy
ride for them. They just have to enter the stage when the show is on.
Thanks for you enourmous efforts, Amiga Inc.

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2) The original contract included a buy-back clause. As to what that entails......it's hard to say, but that six month time frame from the official release is approaching. I guess the lawsuit will determine that. Did I betray Hyperion? No, not at all. What has hurt Hyperion is working on something for five years with a $25,000 buyback clause. Maybe if OS4 was released when it was supposed to $25,000 "might" have been appropriate, but definately not after five years worth of work.

So one could say Hyperion had it coming, and they can only blame themselves, right ?

But at the end of the day, Amiga Inc will end up with "work" that other people
has put alot of their personal free time on. And by court they will not be forced
to pay anything for those thousands of hours that was put into OS4.
Talk about surfing the waves.

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@Seer

Ok, I'm reading through that document. So far, I've discovered that a Micro-A1, is not an AmigaOne (according to A Inc.) and therefore shouldn't be running OS4. In fact, apparently an Amigaone SE/XE motherboard is not an Amigaone. How on earth does that work? I was always under the impression that these were part of the license. In fact, without them, there never was any Amiga OS4 compatibile hardware.

They may have a point that Hyperion added extra features without being asked. However, A Inc. never gave any indication that they had a problem with this.

Regardless of what happens, a lot of games are being played that I don't like.

Hans

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Gleng wrote: @Manu Quote: Manu wrote: Pleased to inform you.... ..we are going to be at the laughing stock at OS News again. OS News Link Awwwwwwwwwwwww. That's really embarrassing. The "new hardware!" story, and the "we're suing the people who made our OS for us!" story are both on the front page.

Yeah well, #### happens.

@Seer

I have read it after Rich posted a link. It looks like strong evidence against Hyperion.

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The MicroA1 XE/SE are motherboards. They are not the AmigaOne, and any computer built with these motherboards would not be an AmigaOne.

WTF?! What constitutes an AmigaOne then?!

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@Hans

From what I recall, I was under the impression that Eyetech brought out the MicroA1's because they were not likely to get the money they had loaned Amiga inc, before the re-sell, where Amiga inc got "Brought out" by Garry Hare. Apparently Eyetech had loaned Amiga inc money to stay afloat, when the "Buyout" happened Eyetech lost the lot, so in order to re-coup the lost cash, Eyetech brought out the MicroA1. (notice it wasn't called the Micro AmigaOne)

Unfortunately, when Amiga got some cash and threatened to sue Eyetech for unpaid licenses, thats when Eyetech got out and disappeared without a trace.

Disclaimer. This is what I have heard.

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@Hans

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Micro-A1, is not an AmigaOne

I renember people (some would call them trolls, methinks) asked: Why you're using MicroA1 name, not the Micro-AmigaOne, is that true you have no right to use it for this board? And they where stoned to dead.

Well.

I guess it's easy to say for me now: we DID tell you.

But I guess this is a "victory" as in nuclear holocaust "victory" (we had last bomb!)

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@opi

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opi wrote: @Seer I have read it after Rich posted a link. It looks like strong evidence against Hyperion.

Yes it does. Of course, we'll have to wait and see what kind of documents Hyperion use in its defence. I'm sure that they'll have some compelling evidence too.

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@Slash

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WTF?! What constitutes an AmigaOne then?!

Don't know. (a full computer? Maybe the deal was for selling full computers only?)

So... guys who got a mainboard don't even OWN AmigaOne?

OK. So, who has a phone number to Gilliam from MP fame? We have a goldmine here!

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opi wrote: @Hans Quote: Micro-A1, is not an AmigaOne I renember people (some would call them trolls, methinks) asked: Why you're using MicroA1 name, not the Micro-AmigaOne, is that true you have no right to use it for this board? And they where stoned to dead. Well. I guess it's easy to say for me now: we DID tell you. But I guess this is a "victory" as in nuclear holocaust "victory" (we had last bomb!)

Ah, but what about the "Amigaone-SE/XE" motherboards not being an Amigaone? The court document states that any computer built using any of these motherboards are not Amigaones. That includes the SE/XE.

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@Seer

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"Amiga's new computer, the Amiga A1000, featured a new, powerful operating system - the 'Classic Amiga Operating System', known as Workbench. [...] multi-tasking multi-threaded operating system. [...]"

Let's hope the Twins don't read this, they may die of a heart attack or of laughter!

-- edit: well not really, having read the full document now.. serious stuff.

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@all

I diddnt want to post at all in this thread but, im getting fed up reading about this.
What can I say - "well done thanks for mucking it up for all of us."

Two more weeks? ....

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I cannot believe I am reading any of this...but then its the Amiga market so anything can happen.

What a truly f'cked up situation

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Magic wrote: @all I diddnt want to post at all in this thread but, im getting fed up reading about this. What can I say - "well done thanks for mucking it up for all of us." Two more weeks? ....

The court documents suggest Hyperion are the ones who mucked up.

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