@MikeB

I have now ordered a Playstation 3 40GB.
I read on swedish forums that it is alot quieter and cooler running than the older
60GB version. Coupled with the new lower price I had to buy a unit.
The missing features, memory card reader, smaller harddrive, 2 USB and no
PS2 emulation will not be missed by me atleast.

It will mainly be used for Blu-ray but also for the occasional game now and then.

I don't understand the complaint that there ain't no games for PS3.. I saw alot in
the site where I ordered my unit. Also a hell of alot of new games that will be
released late 2007 and during 2008.

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@Derfs

When people are stating "Red Ring of Death".

They are referring to this, nomatter that it's not a full circle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xbox360-ringofdeath.jpg

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@MikeB

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MikeB wrote: @Derfs Quote: thats what it seems when you say RRoD The Red Ring of Death, refers to 3 flashing circle lights. It has nothing to do with video cable connections.

i feel my point was missed.

if it was a ring, all 4 red lights would be on, instead it is 3, which is not a ring.

unless there is a new meaning to the word 'ring'

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@MikeB
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Microsoft repeatably stated their aim is to make the XBox 360 the new PS2.

First - any actual quote would be good.

Second - anyone that's worked for a company knows there are external marketing sand internal expectations and these are not exactly the same. Clearly Microsoft did not plan for that as they have stated life expectancies longer then the Xbox but shorter then the PS2 and they don't appear to have the production facilities that would meet the demand in a shorter timeframe. For other examples of this disjoint look at Sony. They've clearly said backwards compatibility is important and yet have a console that can't do it.

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Microsoft has a bad reputation and Sony a long standing impressive track record, I think this will play an important role for the long run.

Well I hope you're right for Sony's sake because their 'impressive record' is doing nada for the PS3 in the short term in Japan. The company with the track record, Nintendo, is eating their lunch.

I know you love Japan numbers but their market is small they aren't going to determine the winner but they are lending their numbers to the Wii. Take last week for example in the US the 7th gen consoles, according to VgChartz, sold 31K PS3s. In Japan the all 7th Gen sales were 38K. Total US: 240K. The US had 80K more 360s then PS3 sold. So in the US last week the 360 outsold the PS3 by 2 weeks of total Japan console sales or even worse 2 months worth of PS3 sales. You said it before small numbers have little influence on overall stats. Japan isn't a significant determining factor in the winner but it will be an influence on a couple % points for all the consoles.

@BrianK

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It was meant to do better then the Xbox. It looks like it may fall down on this a bit. Heck it was never meant to take the world.

Microsoft repeatably stated their aim is to make the XBox 360 the new PS2.

With regard to Japan, how could they have performed even worse? For the original XBox they made almost as good as no effort to please Japanese customers, I am sure that has in part to do with it that the XBox 360 performs miserably as well, despite that this time they did put in some effort. Microsoft has a bad reputation and Sony a long standing impressive track record, I think this will play an important role for the long run.

@Derfs

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thats what it seems when you say RRoD

The Red Ring of Death, refers to 3 flashing circle lights. It has nothing to do with video cable connections.

@Derfs

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Derfs wrote: @MikeB Quote: Reports of RRoD... *snip* i do have to say something about this, as it is a little bugbear of mine... so you are saying that the full ring of red lights is to cause for all these problems? thats what it seems when you say RRoD. here is the help direct from microsoft to fix the 4 red lights problem. Quote: This issue may occur for one of the following reasons: •The audio-visual (AV) cable is not connected correctly or plugged into the Xbox 360 console. •The console is not detecting the cable. so now is right with the world

He should probably say: Red Pacman of Death

@MikeB

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Reports of RRoD... *snip*

i do have to say something about this, as it is a little bugbear of mine...

so you are saying that the full ring of red lights is to cause for all these problems? thats what it seems when you say RRoD. here is the help direct from microsoft to fix the 4 red lights problem.

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This issue may occur for one of the following reasons: •The audio-visual (AV) cable is not connected correctly or plugged into the Xbox 360 console. •The console is not detecting the cable.

so now is right with the world

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@Lou

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Or it was part of a bundle with the Elite

well, i can tell you that both halo 3 and PGR 4 have been part of bundles in the UK, with all versions of the 360, over the past few weeks. HDMI premium + halo 3 + forza2 + extra wireless controller = 275 pounds. HDMI premium solus = 250 pounds.

might be even cheaper this weekend...

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@MikeB

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yet currently sold consoles still RRoD quite often.

all the consoles i sell have HDMI (apart from the core) and sell more 360's than ps3's. if i told you we get the same amount back faulty for 360 and ps3 over the past few weeks would you believe me?

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@MikeB

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Sony has enough time to get games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII on the market without rushing the developers.

neither of which are sony games, so they cant rush the developers and publishers even if they wanted to.

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@MikeB

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Media Create ranks the Xbox 360 a little lower at 6,161 units between Oct. 8 and Oct. 14 and the PS3 higher at 12,365. It seems undeniable, Halo 3 nor the XBox 360 Elite will be a major factor in Japan for the long run, Sony has enough time to get games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII on the market without rushing the developers.

What you haven't understood yet is that the Xbox360 was never meant to take Japan. It was meant to do better then the Xbox. It looks like it may fall down on this a bit. Heck it was never meant to take the world. The 360s goal was to have more marketshare then the 360. Even if in 3rd it is meant to have a much closer horse race this gen then the clear out front winner that occured last gen, PS2.

At the rate of Japanese PS3 or 360 sales it is going to play a minor role in determining the 7th generation winner. Taking your numbers we can project out ~50K PS3s and ~25K 360s. Clearly the 360 isn't winning Japan. But the minor lead the PS3 enjoys in Japan was hugely offset by the American sales of the 360 over the PS3. The 360 had a near 400K lead.

What we see here is that 1 month of US 360 sales has now offset ~8 months of Japanese PS3 sales. This isn't typical but with the 5M+ lead of the 360 when this happens the PS3 isn't catching up.

Now you can discuss other countries if you want . It turns out worldwide at this juncture the 7th Gen will be lead by the Wii followed closely by the 360 and Sony falling in at last.

I like my PS3 and it looks to have some good games in 2008. The 360 does too. At this point it's anyone's guess how 1 year from now it'll all play out. But, as Japanese 360 and PS3 numbers are so small (remember your point on small numbers) it just isn't adding significantly to either of those 2 winning.

@BrianK

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PS3 8400 360 7100

Media Create ranks the Xbox 360 a little lower at 6,161 units between Oct. 8 and Oct. 14 and the PS3 higher at 12,365. It seems undeniable, Halo 3 nor the XBox 360 Elite will be a major factor in Japan for the long run, Sony has enough time to get games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII on the market without rushing the developers.

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@BrianK

The Halo effect has already weared down. This holiday season will surely be an interesting one to follow.

The less backwards compatible 80 GB PS3 currently outranks the near fully backwards compatible 60 GB PS3 at amazon.com. Both of which are ranked higher than the XBox 360.

http://amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=sv_vg_1/105-3772016-7930016

@Lou

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The good news for the PS3 is that it beat out the Gameboy Advance in sales again...

Why compare the PS3 with the Gameboy Advance, cellphones may well outsell all of Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft's sales combined. A 5 million install base is already quite significant and there are good indications the platform will do well this holiday season.

@ BrainK

High Halo 3 and thus XBox 360 US sales were expected, it was marketed a lot in the US (and heavy advertising I believe is more effective there, in other places I think it can quickly turn into becoming counter productive). I am sure many people are still unaware of the quality issues and many of those who are actually aware of the problems assume Microsoft would have taken care of the problems by now, it's almost 2 years after the problems became apparent, yet currently sold consoles still RRoD quite often.

Market research firm NPD Group, a provider of video games sales date in North America, released today its September 2007 report..

Console sales
Xbox 360: 528K
Wii: 501K
PS3: 119K
(PS3 sales posted an average weekly decline of 27 percent.)

Xbox 360 software
outsold PS3’s 8:1
Wii’s 4:1

Xbox 360 software represented 74 percent of total software sales
17% Wii
9% PS3

The Halo Effect clearly overcame fears about console quality. But it just wasn't Halo..
The Xbox 360 held six spots in the Top Ten Console Games. The $130 “Halo 3: Legendary Edition” alone sold twice as many units as the top title for PS3 “Heavenly Sword". Skate for the 360 outsold the PS3 version 6:1

@BrianK

Re:Heavenly Sword

What I heard some gamers complaining about was it's length. For a $60 it was way too short. I said the same thing about Gears of War.

Multiplayer is not an excuse to ship a short game. Multiplayer uses 0 A.I. and little scripting. That's why on the PC, multiplayer was the easy bonus not the main reason to purchase a game.

Welcome to the next generation of gaming - thanks to HD we get to pay 20% more for your games and enjoy them for 33% less time.

Well, atleast MP3:C is still about 20 hours. More if you are like me and like to find everything. Oh, wasn't that Legend of Zelda:Twilight Princess a 50-hour game...? Oh yeah, it was...

I wonder which platform is truly hard-core...
I wonder how long it will take to complete Super Mario Galaxy...

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@Lou
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The good news for the PS3 is that it beat out the Gameboy Advance in sales again...

In a recent article I saw they were comparing PS3 launch to GameCube launch in the USA. It appears the Gamecube launch beat the PS3 in the USA.

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Heavenly Sword should have done better

Playability is decent. Graphics are beautiful. A nice showpiece for the PS3. But, IMO not enough yet.

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The PS3 outsold the 360 ONLY 2:1

Indeed impressive for Japan. But, unfortunately the size and lead of the 360 is marginalizing any traction the PS3 would gain from Japan due to it's small numbers there.

@BrianK

My theory on Nintendo shipping more to the US to downplay he HALO effect was spot on. Only Nintendo should have shipped an extra 30k...

September NPD:
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Total home console hardware sales were up 188 percent to $418.6 million, with Xbox 360 driving that figure with 527,800 units sold. Microsoft’s console was the top seller for the month, beating out the Nintendo Wii (501,000), DS (495,800), PSP (284,500), PS2 (215,000) and Game Boy Advance (75,000). Meanwhile, next-gen competitor PS3 sold 119,400. The top ten games for the month are as follows, according to NPD: 360 Halo 3, Microsoft, 3.3 million Wii Wii Play w/ Remote, Nintendo, 282K DS Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, Nintendo, 224K PS2 Madden NFL 08, EA, 205K 360 Skate, EA, 175K 360 Madden NFL 08, EA, 173K Wii Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Nintendo, 167K 360 BioShock, Take-Two, 150K DS Brain Age 2, Nintendo, 141K PS3 Heavenly Sword, SCEA, 139K

The good news for the PS3 is that it beat out the Gameboy Advance in sales again...

Metroid has now sold ~400k. Soon to be released in PAL territories...
Super Mario Galaxy comes out in November... I'm sure MP3:C will continue to sell 100+k throughout the holiday season. Look at the HALO effect spill over to Madden 08. I'm sure 1 in 4 people who bought a 360 because of HALO this past month also picked up Madded 08. I can see the Super Mario Galaxy effect spill over into MP3:C and other Wii titles.

Heavenly Sword should have done better considering the desert of games that it competed against on the PS3 platform. When a AAA game can't get 200k sales in it's launch month, that's got to hurt. Sadly it's the developers who hurt, not the consumer. It's going to have a hard time getting the estimated 500k copies required sold to break even.

People around the internet are already calling the PS3 the Sega Saturn of this generation.

In Japan last week:
Nintendo DS Lite - 78,746
PSP - 59,584
Wii - 20,575
PlayStation 3 - 12,365
PlayStation 2 - 10,181
Xbox 360 - 6,161
Game Boy Advance SP - 127
GameCube – 79
Game Boy Micro - 60

I had heard rumors that the Elite was flying off the shelves. I sense a serious Halo effect spill-over. The Japanese discovered PGR4 last week as well. I guess they are sick of waiting for GT5... The PS3 outsold the 360 ONLY 2:1
I wonder if now that Halo has been released if Nintendo will supply more units to Japan again...but it is the holiday season in the US and not so much Japan...

I think everyone who bought Halo a couple of weeks ago had their friends come over to try it out, then asked their friends to put in a racing game then the next week they all went out and got the 360 and PGR4...which I believe was also discounted in Japan as a Platinum series title... Or it was part of a bundle with the Elite. LOL. Something like that.

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@Lou

I think it can be fairly said at this time that the Wii in Japan is keeping the other consoles down and the 360 with some Wii help in the US is keeping the PS3 down. Sony the answer is simple -- GAMES. 2008 looks to be a better line up then 2007 for the PS3. But the Wii and 360 have equally as good line ups. It'll be interesting to see if the PS3 can play catch up next year.

We've seen runs on the PS3 in Europe but w/ 90% of buyers opting for the going away 60GB model w/ backwards compatibility it's anyone's guess that the non-backwards model will be as attractive next year.